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Why I recommend against Bluesky.
Have you ever heard of the term federation-washing?
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It’s just wild to watch Bluesky fans stumble over themselves to say it’s part of a federated future and that it’s decentralized yada yada, when it takes millions of dollars to do with it what takes me $80 for a Raspberry Pi and $15 for a domain name to do with ActivityPub.
Idk why anyone argues it. I’m on it, but only because I want to support Not Twitter®. I’m there to just be user no. 1663987 who doesn’t want to be on Twitter. I post a stupid thought, some sports commentary, and scroll the feed for a minute or two. If it went away tomorrow, I’d have 0 negative effects on my life in even the most miniscule way.
Like…I like it there, and people seem to want an alternative to Twitter pretty bad, but idk if Bluesky is it. But I also don’t care to join Mastodon, as this kinda format isn’t something I care about or take seriously, and I’d rather get information here. If I get a Mastodon account in the future, I’d rather not have it tied directly back to my spite posting account lol
Bluesky is new Twitter today.
There is nothing in its design to prevent it from becoming the X of tomorrow.
It is closer to old twitter and I never cared about federation then wouldve been fine if it was never sold to musk I enjoyed it
Sure. My goal isn’t to be on the next Twitter, or Mastodon, or anything on short format social media. It’s too make Twitter look worse by inflating Bluesky account numbers.
Those are steep prices for a pi and a domain
Canadian $
Those are good prices for a pi and a domain
From the article …
This effectively means that, if you get banned by the Bluesky company, you’re out. Sure, you could still host your own Personal Data Server, wait for a non-existent independent Relay to fetch your data and interact with users of third-party Bluesky applications. But you won’t: you’re effectively at the mercy of the Bluesky company.
Point two, and more importantly: this approach provides an “exit strategy” in the event that Bluesky “goes evil”. Right now, that’s false: parts of the social network are still centralized and it’s impossible to avoid that. But even if we limit ourselves to PDSs and Relay, the current situation is that federation is only achievable in theory and no one has done it in practice yet.
Yep.
Its ‘federated’ as long as you ignore a single massive chokepoint controlled by one company that allows them to block/ban/censor users of any part of the system.
So functionally, their ‘federation’ system is actually just a false marketing/propoganda campaign that may also result in crowd sourcing some server costs.
It’s psuedo-federation, along the lines of a psuedo-historian or psuedo-scientist: They pretend to be something they are not, in such a way that makes them seem trustworthy when they are in fact not.
Yup. Don’t trust the folks trying to equate bluesky with the fediverse. You can tell by the people who were promoting it that there was something off about it. I suspected honeypot, or maybe just trying to rival Musk to control the conversation.
This is very recent news but there is a group of people on Bluesky that are looking at setting up their own PDS, but it feels clear to me that the system as designed is so heavily biased against third parties doing this. It’s just such a completely different vibe compared to ActivityPub platforms that are built so strongly around the goal of making it easy to do in order to make it more widely distributed.
The problem isn’t the PDS but the Relays. You need terabytes of storage and and some beefy hardware to run one of these. Also there are still quite some parts centralized.
A decentralised Bluesky won’t work. We have all heard the arguments that it’s totally impossible to decide which Fediverse instance to join. Surely that problem will doom Bluesky’s decentralisation efforts.
/s
The “me not know which server to join hurdurr” has always been a bad faith argument aimed at eliminating non corporate silo internet. I invite anyone who uses it unironically to start taking brain pills.
It was shown to be a farce the minute Musk bought twitter and people were following 20 step guides to get their 3rd party apps to work then turning around saying mastodon is too hard.
I have a lot more sympathy for people saying masto doesn’t have enough features.
I will still support it to get the normies off of twitter.
Still the right thing
Harm reduction is still harm reduction.
huh, is Bridgey Fed not using relays?
Its really just another pds.
So it’s not federated properly or something? Is the problem having to abandon ship if everything goes the Twitter route?
Just so that I get this out while it’s fresh on my mind, what’s wrong with the internet right now is cyberfeudalism.
The internet is essentially an infinite world, so no matter how much the large companies gobble up, we’ll always be able to go somewhere else.
That being said, it gets really fucking exhausting to move over and over again to different apps and different locations just so to talk to people without some greedy, megalithic corporation there, snooping on everything you say and ingesting your words to feed some abomination intelligence simulation or to figure out the best way to sell you a new pair of fucking socks.
All of that being said, I’m just saying it fucking sucks to continuously be a refugee, and what sucks about apps and companies and programs that end up selling out for a dollar is that if you don’t emmigrate to a new platform, you become nothing.
All of that being said, I’m just saying it fucking sucks to continuously be a refugee, and what sucks about apps and companies and programs that end up selling out for a dollar is that if you don’t emmigrate to a new platform, you become nothing.
App and companies aren’t the only choice. Back in our internet roots you set up your own website to share your views. If you wanted real time chat we had telnet chat and later IRC. Your same telnet client worked on every server. Your browser was able to view every page.
If I want to scream into the void, I can do that anywhere and anytime, and I do not need a web server to do it.
To quote Ariel, I want to be where the people are.
Thats why you join a web ring with your website.
And to paraphrase Michael Bolton from Office Space, why should we be the ones who have to move? The corporations are the ones who suck!
