I went to a Gamestop the other day, and they had a little section for pre-owned games for older systems (think Xbox360, PS2, DS, etc). I was perusing and grabbed some games, but I noticed something, the cases that have the XBOX360 games have a giant “RETRO GAMING” on it in the centre. So I am like wtf, I grew up with the XBOX360, what the hell do they mean “retro”.
So I went and asked like friends and other people if the XBOX360 is retro now, and basically everyone was like “yeah”. I was talking to my EX about it and she was like “the xbox came out in 2005/6. There is more time between us and the xbox360 than there was between the xbox and the SNES when the xbox came out. Was the SNES “retro” when the xbox360 came out?”
I am like not ready, not willing to accept the XBOX360 as retro. Because that is saying my thing that I grew up with is “retro” or “old” now and im not ready to accept that because im not ready to be old.
I am also often upset, confused and scared by the passage of time
Downvote for making me think about it
I’m with you, retro is when they were still counting bits
I think using emulation as the benchmark for what makes a console retro can be a useful rule of thumb. By that metric I don’t think the 360 is retro yet as emulation isn’t quite mainstream or functional for the majority of titles. It’s probably getting close though.
Emulation has nothing to do with it, Saturn emulation is not great still and it’s an old system, original xbox as well. All the while PS3 emulation is pretty good now and PS3 is newer than the 360. Hell, Nintendo Switch even got an emulator in the middle of its life cycle, does that make it retro?
It’s still a reasonable rule, with a few outliers. For the switch specifically, you could make a reasonable argument it was retro on launch, with cartridges and massively underpowered hardware.
It is not retro. It is “Modern,” like how art from the 50s and 60s is called “Modern Art.”
Here is an easy chart:
1st Console Gen (Magnavox Odyssey) : Historic
2nd Console Gen (ColecoVision) : Antique
3rd Console Gen (NES) : Vintage
4th Console Gen (SNES) : Retro
5th Console Gen (N64) : Classic
6th Console Gen (XBOX) : Renaissance
7th Console Gen (X360) : Modern
8th Console Gen (XBOX ONE) : Post-Modern
9th Console Gen (XBOX SERIES) : Contemporary
Well done
Here here! stomps cane
The people born when this machine was released have finished school, learned to drive and potentially even started their own families.
Gamestop needs to go back to when their cases looked like thisI miss those styles, so much stuff has a corporate sanitized look and feel these days
I just bought one last year.
It’s not retro. It’s in that sweet spot where it’s irrelevant enough to be dirt cheap.
We’ll need to wait another 10-20 years before the kids who grew up with the xbox360 have enough time and disposable income to buy and play all the games they loved in their youth.
Just you wait until you reach a point where you think “I used to feel old when I was in my 20’ties. Now I’m really old.”
t. Am 41 years old.
Imagine what 60 must feel like.
More like the same thing.
At 80’s however will be like “Damn, I used to talk with randoms about my age and making such a big deal in my 20’ties. And now I’m in my 80’ties and I could die in any moment.”
At 100’ties will be like “Ah, fu-”
This shit hurts me every time. I remember playing xbox360 in high school with my friends. I’m getting old.
We were playing the Nintendo 64 and original Xbox when I was in high school.
On that note, I told a younger colleague yesterday that I rewatched Stargate (the 1994 movie, which is six years younger than Die Hard) recently, and her reply was “Oh, I thought that was a programme, not a movie”.
FML, makes me feel old.
We are not old, we are retro
I would say “no” because the 360 did have the capability of 720p and 1080p. There isn’t much you have to do to get it working with a modern television.
That’s not the case with a TRULY retro console, either in terms of resolution or connectivity.
That’s not how “retro” works. If a song came out today, as opposed to any number of Green Day songs, which came out in the 90s, and 2000s, are considered retro.
You don’t have to do anything different with todays songs vs Green Day songs. You can play them just the same way.
Yet one is clearly retro.
Music and games aren’t quite the same deal. If you need specialized equipment to play a game, it’s retro.
That’s just the cord that came with the system, nothing very special about it. And it’s still perfectly compatible with modern TVs
What about handhelds?
Handhelds are really their own deal. I’d argue vintage is anything up through the OG Gameboy.
Retro would be anything other than that, with the possible excrptions of the Nokia NGage and Neo Geo Pocket (B&W) which would also be vintage.
I’m not sure I’m following this definition, everything after the game boy is retro? Or is it only the game boy and older?
Vintage is everything up to the Gameboy, retro would be the stuff in color.
Prior to Gameboy you had LED and LCD stuff like this:
The problem is that definition of retro has no end point, by that definition the switch lite is retro.
Disagree, but that standard every proprietary console except xbox and ps are retro.
It’s simply few generations older. If teenagers today weren’t born, It’s retro.
Naturally I’m biased because the stuff I grew up on is officially “Vintage” at this point. ;)
Yea it doesn’t feel right, I’m sure we’ll soon have classic and modern retro categories
I feel like the “retroness” comes down to more the gameplay than the passage of time. Despite coming out 20 years ago, 360 games have a lot of similarities to modern games. Contrast that to the SNES, which had a much different limitations and approach to game design.
Yeah, maybe we need a different word to describe the games and systems that we think of when we say “retro”. Because when I think of ‘retro’ games, I’m thinking of Super Mario Bros and the OG Doom and shit like that, not Halo or whatever. I’m thinking of the time before consoles were mostly just pre-built PCs in a fancy looking box.
In my opinion, retro games/consoles are a lot like vintage cars. It doesn’t matter how much time has passed because it’s not about their age, it’s about the era they came from.
In the case of vintage cars, it’s any car manufactured prior to 1930. In the case of retro game consoles I’d say it’s anything prior to 1994.
Edit: typo. 1995 should have been 1994. The launch year of the PS1 and the founding year of the ESRB.
That’s a surprisingly narrow definition.
So do you look at something like a Studebaker Commander Coupe and go “well obviously that’s modern”?
No, definitely not modern, possibly a classic, though that term has some additional qualifications, so I’m not sure.
But 1930 is chosen and is generally recognized as the cutoff for vintage cars by most collectors clubs and organizations, because that year marked a major industry wide shift, for consumers, manufacturers, and regulation, and while there have been relatively minor shifts in the industry, not much has really changed since.
Similarly, 1994 (made a typo above) marked a similar transition, the PS1 was released that year, marking a shift to 3D graphics, the ESRB was established in the US, and consumer adoption reached a point where you could finally say video gaming was here to stay. And just like with the automotive industry in 1930, things in gaming shifted from a period of rapid experimentation, innovation, and regulation to a period of slow, gradual improvement along the lines established by the fifth generation of consoles in 1994.
