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Summary
Vivian Jenna Wilson, Elon Musk’s daughter, accused her father of giving a “definitely Nazi salute” at two rallies in January, calling his actions “fucking cringe.”
In an interview with Teen Vogue, she criticized Musk’s involvement in the Trump administration and advocated for trans rights, emphasizing the importance of gender-affirming care for minors.
Wilson, who transitioned as a teen, described Musk as cold and absent, and revealed she no longer associates with him or his family.
She also expressed fear over anti-trans legislation under Trump’s administration.
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It’s mindblowing how anyone still genuinely thinks what he did was anything but.
“iT wAs A rOmAn sALuTe” oh you mean the “salute” that appears in exactly one painting from the 1700s, long after the Roman empire had fallen?
There are videos of people being asked to recreate it, and while most refuse to do it (because of the implication, some add their own flourish to make it look like something else. That should tell you everything you need to know.
And was the direct inspiration for the Nazi salute.
Indirect inspiration. Hitler got it from Mussolini, who got it from Gabriele d’Annunzio, who got it from a Broadway production of Ben-Hur, which got it from the US Pledge of Allegiance, which got it from the painting.
The painting? I believe it.
Looks like people reaching out for swords rather than a salute to me. The Nazis played some mental gymnastics to get to where they are.
If that’s a Roman Salute, then what happened to Richard Spencer was a “Roman Face Massage”
My coworker is convinced it was just ‘my heart to you!’ and to him is why he no longer trusts the news. It’s crazy to watch educated people get sucked into the alt right misinformation hole.
Show them this and ask again. It’s probably not going to change their answer, but there will be a moment of confusion that passes behind their eyes as they try to reconcile reality with their beliefs.
Your coworker is a nazi who hasn’t come out yet.
Are they an engineer?
They aren’t, no.
Does he ever tell people his heart goes out to them in the same way?
Not that I know of…
If that’s all it is ask them to do it in front of your boss or customers
Having been on several bar trivia teams, I can say that at least 80% of Americans know virtually nothing about history. I could imagine someone with only a vague familiarity with a Nazi salute just assuming there’s no way a fortune 500 CEO would actually do one, not recognizing how spot on of a Hitler impression that was.
Its noted in the wikipedia page for the ADL that since 2014 it’s chair has been a silicon valley tech CEO
Referring to this? The Anti-Defamation League is a joke.
Lmao, apologist pieces of shit. Musk deserves no benefit of the doubt, he’s a fucking Nazi. Nazis deserve nothing.
He’s been quacking like a duck for years, and now that he waddles like one the bootlickers are all “ooh, just an awkward swan!”
Yup.
It’s obvious deflection. Don’t engage. They have to convince themselves and by giving them the time of day they win.
Just watched it again. I didnt remember it being that obvious…
It’s not ambiguous.
Yeah, we know.
Everyone that isn’t braindead or a pathetic shill knows.
To be honest, you’d have to be very stupid to belive otherwise.
I suspect 90% of the people who want to give him the benefit of doubt where there actually is none, is very well aware of what he did.They are.
Everyone knows it was not one, but two, Nazi salutes.
The people who won’t accept it are either trying to cover for their team, or are too full of price to admit they support Nazis, or both.
Well thats one member of the Musk family I can understand and who seems like a decent human being.
Hope she manages to get away from that cringe fucker as soon as possible.
The article literally said she doesn’t associate with him or his family. Seems like she’s away from him…
But damn… I can’t imagine what it would be like to be trans and have your dad as the most prominent and powerful Nazi in the world, spearheading a sham federal org called DOGE that is basically eliminating all reference to people like you and firing people like you in the most powerful country in the world.
So many layers to that experience, I imagine.
It really sounds like the plot of a kids movie.
I mean, ya know, aside from the Nazis. But just having an extremely powerful, single parent, and being a young woman who is everything that he’s against.
Even with the Nazis, I could see Disney making a movie like this.
Especially that she’s becoming a rather loud voice of reason (and against her biodad), and that voice is amplified by sole fact of having half his chromosomes.
It would be neat if Vivian becomes President AOC’s successor. Here’s hoping we shift tracks onto that timeline.
Even with the Nazis, I could see Disney making a movie like this.
Eh maybe you used to, now they’ve swung hard in the opposite direction. Cancelling their LGBT projects and doing Christian ones instead to try to win back the Right.
It’s gonna flop, that ship sailed ages ago… and they’re still doing shit like Live Action Snow White
Wow it’s literally 1984! Can I get your autograph?
Are you proud to see your predictions on where humanity will go come to reality?
TV: Do you ever feel scared? He’s the richest man in the world.
VW: He’s a pathetic man-child. Why would I feel scared of him? Ohhh, he has so much power. Nah, nah, nah. I don’t give a fk. Why should I be scared of this man? Because he’s rich? Oh, no, I’m trembling. Ooh, shivering in my boots here. I don’t give a fk how much money anyone has. I don’t. I really don’t. He owns Twitter. Okay. Congratulations.
Absolutely based. The pathetic man-child was probably fuming when reading those lines. :)
This is the sort of person who would taunt her ex father by saying “shoot coward you’re only going to kill a woman” and I’m here for it
a comment on reddit, said vivian had less gender affirming care than elon musk.
I don’t know what that means exactly, but I’m intrigued.
It refers to the cosmetic enhancements he has had done to make him feel more comfortable in his own body. The most obvious being his hair plugs.
When even Neo Nazis are agreeing that it’s a Nazi salute, and side by side footage shows Elon doing the salute with even more force than Hitler himself did, pretending that it isn’t is not a good look and is gaslighting. I’ve seen someone claim that it couldn’t have been a Nazi salute because “half of America” and the ADL said it wasn’t, which just makes this quote more relevant:
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”
The ADL saying it wasn’t makes me believe it was even harder, I mean literally they’re the same organization that said cartoon frogs, drinking milk, and McDonalds Mascots were all racist dogwhistles and that telling Israel not to kill Arabic Children is basically denying the Holocaust.
I think it’s time to stop caring about anything this organization says.
Breaking: Elon Musk’s daughter has eyes and a working brain.
True, but shed also particularly able to speak on his mens rea. She’s spoken openly about how even when she was young he was bigoted and cruel. So while many of us may have witnessed a man get radicalized by the right wing as he lost his damn mind which might lead some to think it was him being edgy or something, she’s able to say that no, he in his private life as a man who was merely rich was a massive shit stain.
My eyes told me the same thing.
Wilson, who transitioned as a teen, described Musk as cold and absent, and revealed she no longer associates with him or his family.
So he’s a sociopath. That checks out
He literally just said “empathy is weakness” the other day, I think it’s pretty clear he’s got some serious personality disorder. Narcissism and sociopathy both seem to fit him pretty well but I’m just a blue-collar guy.
Idk one way or another he’s a piece of shit and I firmly believe one of the most evil people kicking, if anyone can be said to be evil, it’s him.
And I’ve played a LOT of evil in DnD over the years. Both sides of the screen. I feel like I’ve got a pretty good grasp of the concept. If he was just a character in literature I’d go “damn, that’s a good villain”, but he is, sadly, alive and real.
Evil is the absence of empathy, so by his own admission he is absolutely evil.
The first time I heard about him beyond a vague “electric car person” post was from a tech co-worker in 2017, where they said they read a biography of Elon where they basically labelled him a sociopath. So, just to emphasize to anyone in the back-row, it’s certainly not news.
I saw a gif earlier that I can’t find. It has Elon’s seig heil salute that is perfectly timed to a group of Neo-Nazis executing the same salute. They were absolutely identical.
Does anyone know where to find it?
Here you go
For some reason, lemmy absolutely will not allow me to upload that one gif. Here’s some alternatives:
Yes, Lemmy wouldn’t let me upload that gif either. I doubt it’s because of the content - seems more likely to be a bug.
Yeah, idk what it could be. Content filter is unlikely since we’re on different instances and, you know, it’s lemmy. I tried compressing it and it still didn’t work… maybe I’ll make a bug report.
Adding to the others, here’s that pairing alongside Musk actually doing what normal people would accept is “my heart goes out to you”.
Western media and political discourse: “Best I can do is 1930s Germany-adjacent arm gesture”
His arm says “Nazi” but his actions? His actions say “Super Nazi”
Elon and Trump’s actions are indeed more nationalist, but we should not confuse it with nazism, that had nationalism as one of its traits but was much more than that. The genocidal part is what makes them evil, not the nationalism part.
If we take seriously the notion that nationalism = nazism, then China would qualify.
Oh for fuck sakes, the nazis were nazis long before they revealed any mass murder plans. In many ways the original nazis were more circumspect than this group of shit gibbons.
Just read any reasonably serious definition of fascism, which ‘nazi’ is a synonym for in casual international English.
PSA - the comment history of the user you responded to shows they are clearly either a really mediocre troll or have had their brain melted to a severe degree. You might improve your Lemmy experience by blocking them 👍
Borders aren’t real my guy
It was one.
Technically, it was two.
Elon Musk literally helped re-legalize segregation in Federal Contracts, if he had the power he’d ban MLK’s “I Have A Dream” speech and gate off Harlem from the rest of New York.
