I'm really sorry to ask but at this moment my gf and me are personally still 274 euros short for rent this month 😟 :sad_cat:
It been a rough month.. Luckily all server bills are paid for so thats the biggest part ❤️
If you can miss something, any bit would help out a lot
https://paypal.me/stuxOS
https://patreon.com/mstdn
https://ko-fi.com/mstdn
https://bunq.me/stuxhost
https://stux.me/donate
https://liberapay.com/mstdn
Boost would also be appricated a lot :blobsnuggle: 💕
Please, tell me how “paying for hardware costs is enough”…
“Oh c’mon man, it’s your hobby, right You’d do it anyway?”
Also, it wasn’t exactly just leftists, but also my leftist friends who were always asking for “friend prices” when I drove them around when I drove a taxi. Like… you guys are getting special service, and I’m your friend, you get to skip the hour of waiting and fighting other drunks in the taxi queue.
It also would’ve been different if there was the chances of favours in return.
So like people who could actually help with the labour or in something other way put in work, maybe they’d be okay with just covering the hosting costs, but modding a community isn’t exactly the same work as maintaining the soft- and hardware. Alone, I presume.
And also is the “hosting costs” just like the costs of the services for the hosting, or does it incorporate all the cost for electricity to run the equipment as well?
Is it lack of empathy or greed? I never really could figure that out. Feels like a bit of both.
It shouldn’t cost that much money. You should be able to host all of that and run it extremely cheap. This is what I do for a living. I’m telling you the person struggling is not equipped for the job. They have not done the prerequisite research or work to do what they are doing. Rather than leaning they are asking the community to foot the bill of their ignorance.
This is the type of mess that gets a team fired and me brought in to clean up amateur hour.
Read again, he is not asking to pay the server bills. It’s 1400€ (so, less than $0,10/active user/month) and he got it fully covered.
You can cut that 5x. You can cut that 10x. You can cut that 100x. It doesn’t matter. You can bet that if he brought down the prices to zero there would still be people saying “why are you asking for money then, it doesn’t cost you anything to run it!” and at the end of the month, he will still be short to make rent.
No, if 140€ a month breaks his bank he shouldn’t be hosting a server that costs 140€.
If I had an apartment and a landlord charged me 1400€ for a fix that cost 140€ he would be a buffoon.
Stop accepting incompetence just because he asked nicely. If he doesn’t have the technical skills to run a server he shouldn’t be running a server. It’s as simple as that.
Well, it’s very easy to be the armchair expert and say how much better you’d do it. It’s another thing entirely to actually do it. You are free to prove how smart and competent you are by showing him how to do better.
In any case, it’s irrelevant to the discussion. Like I said, if people are only giving him the money to cover the hardware costs, even if it was brought down the cost to zero he would still be working for free to all the 16k users of the instance.
You’re saying he doesn’t need to do any work, that all thr work will just do itself, as long as he knows how it’s supposed to be done.
You don’t think maintaining a Mastodon instance takes any active input from the person maintaining the instance? Just knowing how to do it is enough to set up all the hardware and software required?
“Oh c’mon man, it’s your hobby, right You’d do it anyway?”
Also, it wasn’t exactly just leftists, but also my leftist friends who were always asking for “friend prices” when I drove them around when I drove a taxi. Like… you guys are getting special service, and I’m your friend, you get to skip the hour of waiting and fighting other drunks in the taxi queue.
It also would’ve been different if there was the chances of favours in return.
So like people who could actually help with the labour or in something other way put in work, maybe they’d be okay with just covering the hosting costs, but modding a community isn’t exactly the same work as maintaining the soft- and hardware. Alone, I presume.
And also is the “hosting costs” just like the costs of the services for the hosting, or does it incorporate all the cost for electricity to run the equipment as well?
Is it lack of empathy or greed? I never really could figure that out. Feels like a bit of both.
It sounds like he doesn’t have any business hosting the site if he lacks the technical acumen to do it well.
How is this a response to what you replied to?
“Hosting and labor costs money”
“So it’s a lack of technical acumen” -you
What?
It shouldn’t cost that much money. You should be able to host all of that and run it extremely cheap. This is what I do for a living. I’m telling you the person struggling is not equipped for the job. They have not done the prerequisite research or work to do what they are doing. Rather than leaning they are asking the community to foot the bill of their ignorance.
This is the type of mess that gets a team fired and me brought in to clean up amateur hour.
Read again, he is not asking to pay the server bills. It’s 1400€ (so, less than $0,10/active user/month) and he got it fully covered.
You can cut that 5x. You can cut that 10x. You can cut that 100x. It doesn’t matter. You can bet that if he brought down the prices to zero there would still be people saying “why are you asking for money then, it doesn’t cost you anything to run it!” and at the end of the month, he will still be short to make rent.
No, if 140€ a month breaks his bank he shouldn’t be hosting a server that costs 140€.
If I had an apartment and a landlord charged me 1400€ for a fix that cost 140€ he would be a buffoon.
Stop accepting incompetence just because he asked nicely. If he doesn’t have the technical skills to run a server he shouldn’t be running a server. It’s as simple as that.
Well, it’s very easy to be the armchair expert and say how much better you’d do it. It’s another thing entirely to actually do it. You are free to prove how smart and competent you are by showing him how to do better.
In any case, it’s irrelevant to the discussion. Like I said, if people are only giving him the money to cover the hardware costs, even if it was brought down the cost to zero he would still be working for free to all the 16k users of the instance.
This is what I do for a living you clown.
Ah, are you saying you don’t want to do this for free?
Technical acumen?
You do realise things don’t happen just because you know how to do them? You still actually have to do them.
Yes. He doesn’t have the knowledge to be able to do it.
So youre saying if he just knew how to do it, he wouldn’t actually need to do it?
I know how to build a medieval castle with a moat and I’d have the technical acumen to build large sustainable hydroponic gardens there as well.
So why is it that I don’t have a castle, when I know how to build one?
Yes. You don’t have to build a castle. You guys are acting like this is some abstract science and not a well solved problem.
You’re saying he doesn’t need to do any work, that all thr work will just do itself, as long as he knows how it’s supposed to be done.
You don’t think maintaining a Mastodon instance takes any active input from the person maintaining the instance? Just knowing how to do it is enough to set up all the hardware and software required?
Sounds rather magical to me. Please explain
No one has said he doesn’t have to do work. Lie more.
If he doesn’t know how and doesn’t have the means to do something he shouldn’t be doing it. End of story.
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Haven’t had shrooms probably about since you were in diapers.
And I don’t drink liquor.
But hey, thanks for the input.
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Oh no, you’re just not reading the thread properly and going along with that other fool.
How about you actually read the thread instead of leaving snarky comments.
Children should be seen and not heard.