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So why were they blocked?
One of their main contributors are in US sanctioned regions (Russia) so they can’t access it.
Really! Can’t believe them. Yeah fk microsoft.
Russia is being sanctioned because of its aggressive war against Ukraine.
Microsoft aren’t the bad guys for enforcing international sanctions.
So a person that happens to be iving in a sanctioned country, makes them banned? Bullshit
Yes. That’s how sanctions work.
Part of the intention is to pressure citizens of the country for violating international law so they exert pressure on their governments to stop.
Another part is to remove the use of tooling to support the sanctioned nation.
Russia could stop the war and problem is solved. This isn’t Microsoft being the bad guy, this is Microsoft following international law.
Does that work?
Is it right to tell random people “hey you, it’s your job to break local laws and topple your dictator, we could invade you with actual trained military people but that would be inconvenient for us”?
“Is it right?” Are you kidding? Yes, it’s obviously a better alternative than invading another country and killing people. It’s one of the ways we have learned, as a species, to avoid massive wars and losses of life. If you’re advocating for war as an alternative then you should fuck off and die so you don’t get other people killed in the process.
yes, that is the purpose of sanction. to target the lowest rung of society for supporting and promoting the invasion of Ukraine.
Yes,you understand how sanctions work.
A person living in a sanctioned country can also no longer buy certain things, travel to certain countries or use certain services. You couldn’t buy a Boeing Plane during WW2 in Germany as well…
And considering that Russia is waging a fucking genocidal war and a hybrid war in Europe and a majority (according to relatively independent statistics) of the population stil supports that shit and has done so for a long time (when they still could have changed course) it’s god damn right these sanctions exist.
BTW: Cuba is being sanctioned by the US for simply nationalising US held companies (Fidel Castro wasn’t that much of a communist in the beginning) since 1960 and basically none gave or gives a rats ass.
So what about the organic map users. They should ban the contributor if they need to ban it soo bad.
that’s practically impossible. TOR is alive and well, as if any rando in any country sanctioned by the u.s. cares.
of course they could Great China Firewall the shit out of everything and still fail.
but we’re on the downward spiral, so be gleeful!
Sanctions are bullshit economic violence. This is a great example.
Probably better this economic violence than I dunno, the physical violence Russia has exerted on the Ukrainian populace?
K
Microsoft literally had no choice.
when you’re a corporation with billions of dollars and US politicians cost millions on the high end, you can choose to do whatever you want.
“Microsoft continues to work with Russians despite sanctions due to ongoing war in Ukraine” is probably not a headline they want to see.
Of course not, but can you say that it’s not convenient for them to stiffle foss alternatives to microsoft/apple/google software? many open source projects are at least partially made by russian developers.
It is still an unnecessary risk for them.
true, but let’s not pretend that they were without agency in this decision and in decisions leading up to the current context.
Boycott all US based services.
This is the way.
Especially github. I thought all of you were supposed to leave that when microsoft bought it. I never used it but I definitely wouldn’t these days…
We need something like Forgejo, but decentralized and federated, like Lemmy. I don’t want to create a new account for every Forgejo instance, just to be able to report a bug…
Edit: Added “and federated”
Forgejo is in fact working on being decentralized, just like the underlying git structure is. There are some first federation things in there, but the full implementation is still pretty far out.
Git is already decentralized, nothing is stopping you from adding multiple remotes to your repo.
The issue tracker is usually the concern
Yeah, that was my point in the first comment… But not only that…
The development with multiple people is decentralized, yes…
But even, if I add 3 remotes to my repo (1 to GitHub, 1 to Forgejo instance A and 1 to Forgejo instance B), guess what happens, if you don’t have an account on each of these… Try pushing code or making a pull request and see how it fails, because you are not authenticated…
How would decentralization work for an issue tracker? The issues have to be stored somewhere.
naturally on the instance that hosts the repo
if you are looking for decentralised vcs you can try radicle, I tried a while ago pretty good. FYI Forgejo supports mastodon login
FYI Forgejo supports mastodon login
That’s interesting. Did not even know, Mastodon supported doing something like this…
There is still a difference: There is no profile in the end. I might create 2 bug reports, bit they won’t be linked to each other.
You know, git initially was that kind of thing where people would send diff commits on mailing lists. Git is perfectly decentralized already. And there’s no need for federation, too.
Also Forgejo is already decentralized too. You could host your own instance right now, if you’d want.
Gitea has basic federation, I believe
I think that’s bad (for my personal use) because if I accidentally commit a secret key, how do I claw it back? Basically, how would I claw anything back if it’s on a blockchain aka on thousands/millions of computers already (you can’t).
If you push a secret key you should definitely generate a new one. Way to many bots out there that scan new commits for exactly that reason
Yeah it’s not an insurmountable problem but it has happened to me where I push some commits and I realize “oh lemme remove this code because it leaks a little info about me personally” etc
Yeah please just rotate the secret if that happens. Doesn’t matter what platform it is, this is true of GitHub as well. Secrets that are accidentally published are no longer secret.
Obviously you go and change the key instead?
There is this, havent tried
Have you heard of … Git?
:-)
There is no command
git issue create [hostname] [title] [description]and if there was such a command, it’d require authentication on the specific instance to prevent spam.You still need to create an account on each Forgejo instance to report a bug there…
And even, if you commit code or make a pull request… Git might be decentralized (you can develop with your friend independently from each other and merge it), but try to commit code to a GitHub project, GitLab instance or Forgejo instance without having an account there to authenticate yourself… It won’t work.
You mean git inherently requires you to identify yourself?
Huh, shock
git identification has nothing to do with authentication, as any sane person with git experience knows
Wouldn’t it be the other way around, having someone centralized so with one account you can report bugs in any public project?
Do you know how lemmy works?
I do, what I don’t know is how Forgejo works. Doesn’t having to make an account for every project mean it’s already decentraliced, but just doesn’t communicate between instances?
Codeberg is a non-profit that has no fees, but accepts donations. They only allow FOSS projects.
Why would I move away from git if I could just move away from github/lab and keep git?
Are you talking about Fossil ? Fossil’s commands are just like git’s & with the added benefit of having Github-in-a-box
By what standard is GitLab not a “capitalist platform”? It feels even more corporatey than GitHub. From their homepage:
GitLab is the most comprehensive AI-powered DevSecOps Platform.
Yeah but it’s not Microsoft-controlled
Anyone have the story behind this? Fuck Microsoft and all that, but Github has historically been pretty good when it comes to not banning people for stupid reasons. Usually, it’s a DMCA thing or a valid security threat.
Recently, there was some controversy about closed source code powering a component of the project (https://github.com/orgs/organicmaps/discussions/9837) but I didn’t keep up with that. Could this ban be related to that?
Some contributer got flagged by US sanctions based on their IP, I think
Welcome to the “free world”.
Russia is free to fuck off out of Ukraine, simple as.
I’m sure there is a lot that the random developer who happened to be born in Russia can do about that.
“Bro, just overthrow your government”. ~ random redditor, probably.
conservative: says a racial slur
Online Platform: bans user
conservative: “sO mUcH fOr tHe tOlEraNt lEfT 😡”
Nice! It even supports the same RSS feed format. For anyone who also wants FOSS releases injected straight into their veins https://git.omaps.dev/organicmaps/organicmaps/releases.atom
Sucks for Organic Maps but that’s the FAANG.
What is really needed is a fediverse for git repos
First off, that’s literally what Forgejo is trying to do
Secondly, git is technically already federated.
Things are a lot better than you might think. It’s just that people naturally gravitate towards centralized services, because of the network effect.
ai driven anti-spam is destroying the internet
Very interesting 🤔💭
I love organic maps, sometimes I practice navigation by turning location off and using a compass with the downloaded map on my phone.
why is Organic Street Maps better than the other ones, that claim to be Open Street Maps derived?
bandwidth is not disposable ya’ll.
Two reasons:
- interface rocks
- maps are downloaded for offline use
I’ve been using OsmAnd for years, and offline maps has always been one of their main things.
OsmAnd is okay, but I really like the interface of Organic Maps better.
I’ve switched to CalyxOS 6 or 7 months ago, OrganicMaps came with it. I have never looked back.
Downloaded and installed!
👍👍
This post is stupid. The whole reason they are blocked is because Russia invaded ukraine, so the US sanctioned them, so Russian developers can’t use Github, not because “microsoft bad” (true but irrelevant in this case) but because Microsoft is legally obligated to block them.
Fuck russia. Honestly this post makes Microsoft, Github and USA look good, and Organic Maps look bad. Organic maps should ban russian developers from contributing.
Honestly after this post I will avoid Organic maps. More like genocide-complicit maps amirite.
Are you aware of how much open source work comes from Russians? Russians != Russian govt.
I don’t think I want my government deciding who can contribute to my open source project.
When Trump gets into a dick measuring contest with a US ally and sanctions them, POOF foreign contributors are gone. Community management, codebase familiarity, and open PRs be damned. It’ll kill open source projects.
The US supplied 80% of the bombs dropped on Gaza.
Do you believe US civilians should be prohibited from interacting with the rest of the world?
As a US citizen. YES. FFS, the point of sanctions is to compel a change or deter an action. Americans might pay way more attention when the rest of the world puts us in timeout because of the terrible leadership.
Research has shown it has historically had very little to no impact on policy. What it does do is harm the lowest rungs of society.
For example a 2019 report on Trump’s Venezeuala sanctions estimate up to 40,000 people died. Mostly poor people who went without healthcare and medicine because the US froze all of the government’s funds and access to credit.
In my opinion, I’d prefer if we just bombed civilians in the countries we sanction. It’s more honest. It really is a form of low level warfare. Something akin to a medieval raiding party
It is the lowest rung that supports the russia invasion in ukraine. it is not a war crime to use sanction, people don’t die due to sanction they die from failure of their government.
It is not a responsibility of any country to trade with countries they don’t like. every country have the right to sanction or boycott countries they don’t like. Just like I have the right not to buy McDonald’s or not use reddit. their employees die because I don’t “trade” with them is not my responsibility.
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Do you believe US civilians should be prohibited from interacting with the rest of the world?
Yes…? Why haven’t other countries sanctioned the US for Gaza genocide? But that’s also not the point at hand.
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whataboutism isn’t some magical phrase that you can utter every time someone brings up hypocrisy
if we’re going to support sanctioning civilians based on their countries breaking international law, then we should not have double standards. otherwise it’s very clearly a geopolitical issue and not a moral one.
and that’s what this is actually about. the US sanctions on Russia are a geopolitical tool meant to make the Russian re-subjugation of Ukraine more expensive. that’s it.
to me, that doesn’t justify banning individuals from participating in OSS projects. anybody that wants to contribute should be able to.
