There’s nothing else that makes sense

Do not attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence.

I’m not saying these aren’t malicious people, but the explination that makes the most sense is that they are, in fact, that stupid.

Again, Trump put tariffs on uninhabited Islands.

Even if he does undo them there’s no telling when he’ll put them back in place again on a whim. Everyone abandoning the market isn’t going to come back unless Trump gets Epstein’d or Luigi’d.

3 billion is nothing.

Cool, can I borrow $3 billion?

Trump put tariffs on uninhibited islands, which is literally $0 in trade.

Every time I think they’re hiring rock bottom they bring out stronger drills.

So 100% on brand for Trump and America in general

Okay, I have a business offer for you: you deliver me a package of cookies every day and I’ll pay you $1 million at the end of the month. Great offer right?

“We don’t need other countries!”

“Hey, you other countries can’t do that, we need you!”

And they might decide on a whim that the contract is no longer valid for reasons made up yesterday.

Doesn’t matter how much money the contract promises you if you can’t know if it’s going to be honoured.

You presented the argument that “religion has to be anti-science”. Finding a non-insignificant number of scientists that are religious disproves that. It does not matter where they came from, but here’s another study that polls 8 different countries:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2378023116664353

The lowest % that identifies with some religious affiliation is France at 30%. That’s significantly more than the 0% one would expect from your statement “Religion has to be anti-science” because if it was all religion that was anti-science you wouldn’t find any overlap at all.

He’ll just create another company to purchase the failing company from himself, pocket the money he paid himself, and write it off on taxes.

This is all perfectly normal and signs of a functioning country.

A big portion of MAGA voters are saying “this isn’t what I voted for”. People need to not respond to that with “yes it is” and rejecting them.

“We agree this is wrong. Help us stop it.”

You contradict yourself:

I cannot think of any examples of Science, or any scientist, trying to influence what religion teaches, or what the followers of that religion believe.

There will always be people using Science to denounce bad teachings from the church

The most charitable interpretation I can give you is that “scientists” aren’t trying to use science to discredit the religion, “people” are.

So people who understand science aren’t trying to use science to attack religion, people who don’t understand science are, which was my original point. Just like it’s people who don’t understand science that try to use religion to attack it.

I didn’t claim it doesn’t happen from either science or religion. I claimed the people doing it don’t understand and it’s a pointless waste of time.

I recognize that you’re discussing the current state of affairs on the current political and social landscape.

Yes. Historically speaking everything is terrible. There is a long history of Science doing terrible and unethical experiments. There is a long history of governments doing terrible things. There is a long history of immoral and cruel laws. The history of humanity is full of atrocities.
This does not mean Science, Politics, Law, and Humanity should be by default considered bad. People who used Religion to attack Science were dumb as fuck then and are dumb as fuck now.

Science is happy to let entire swaths of people deny what they say and believe whatever the hell they want. Science and scientists will proceed with the information they have; nobody cares what you think your sky daddy has to say about it.

So if science doesn’t care (which I agree with by the way) then making memes that imply science cares is a waste of time. Not only that, by acting like science cares and has something to say about religion it implies that religion has something to say about science. Instead of treating them like they have nothing to do with each other, it invites more “Religion vs Science” BS.

What logical fallacy? The fact that the US is a very religious study doesn’t change the fact that they have scientists that are religious. If religion was anti-science then you wouldn’t have scientists that are religious, regardless of how religious the country is.

You’re the one committing the fallacy. How religious the the country is has no barring on the argument presented.

Point me to any country on the map that’s a theocracy and I’ll show you how they brutalize their population.

FTFY. Don’t tell me it’s “some bad apples”, clearly all government’s are bad.

religion shouldn’t be allowed to interfere in other people’s lives, should not have any say in how a goverment runs and how laws get passed and should be forced to pay taxes like any other business

I agree 100%. I don’t know what you think you’re arguing against because I never said otherwise.

you need to focus your statement against the actual antagonist here.

Agreed. The USA is less religious now than it has ever been. If “Religion”, as a monolithic group, was anti-science then book burnings would have been commonplace for its entire existence and vaccines never would have been allowed.

The fact that these are more common now while the USA is less religious would suggest the problem is not the monolithic group of “religion” but instead a specific group. To me it looks a lot more politically driven than it is religious, but I would not claim that “politics is anti-science”.

You are still trying to weigh these two ideas against each other like they are neck-and-neck in a race

I am not. How is repeatedly saying they have nothing to with each other treating them like they are in a neck-and-neck race? One is running down a track and the other is painting a picture. They have nothing to do with one another

if you think that people make some choice like “will I use science or religion to figure this out”

Again, if they have nothing to do with one another, why would I think “people make some choice like ‘will I use science or religion to figure this out’” ? That makes as much a thinking people use some choice like “I will use math or art to figure this out.” I have said repeatedly they are not the same and you keep arguing as if I have been claiming otherwise.

I am saying you’re fucking EQUATING them against each other

No more than the meme is, and I am pointing out the pointlessness of doing so.

You don’t need religion or God to have a better world

Never claimed you did.

What exactly do you think is happening?

I think people on the Internet who don’t properly understand Science or Religion try to use one to argue against the other without realizing it makes no sense and is useless.

It’s not designed to attack religion, it’s not competing for anything, you can indeed have both spirituality and religion and science in your life without conflict.

That is exactly what I said, yes. I’m glad we agree.

But that’s not what Christians and theists broadly do, is it?

If you think the majority of Christians and Theists are trying to burn books and force creationism is schools then you will be shocked when you find out how many Christians and Theists actually exist in the world. The majority of Americans are Theists. The fact that some sect is trying to force creationism in schools, and it’s not there by default, would be evidence that that is not a broadly held opinion by thesists. Afterall, if the majority of people wanted it it wouldn’t be that hard to implement.

now why are you doing it?

Where specifically did I do it?

Lol do you live in a cave or something, religious Political organizations used to straight up torture and kill scientists if they made any claims that were not in line with what the religion politics claimed, read up on what they did to the early astronomers who were figuring out that the sun and not earth is the center of or solar system, and that’s just one instance, I can point to a million other atrocities that today’s society views as barbaric done by organized religion politics. Religion Politics has nothing to do with living a good life, it’s about centralising power and control over the masses and making them obey your commands.

I guess all politics are bad and we would be better off if banned all politics.

People using religion as an excuse does not mean all religion is bad and that the people doing these things are not culpable for their actions. You are dismissing the people who chose to do these things and blaming Religion instead. Don’t let them get away with that. Blame the person for being a piece of shit.

There are just as many scientist that are religious in some fashion as scientist that are not. If religion was antithetical to science you wouldn’t have scientists with religious beliefs.

You’re not in here supplying people with a way to harmonize conflicting belief systems, because science isn’t a fucking belief system.

Correct. I am also not trying to do so. I am literally saying the two have nothing to do with one another and that’s why using one to argue against the other it pointless.

The people disagreeing with me seem to really want to use science to argue with religion, which ignores the fact that that’s not how science works, it is not a useful persuit for science, and religion doesn’t care.

Science has, to my knowledge, never tried to influence religious teachings

The meme I was responding to seems to be specifically trying to use Science to discredit religion.

Religion, conversely, has tried to stop, slow or otherwise discredit, scientific research, and understanding.

And I argue strongly against any idiots trying to do that. However It’s incredibly disingenuous to claim “Religion” as a whole does this. Many scientist are religious in some for or another, so it’s not the concept of “Religion” that tries to discredit scientific research, it’s specific groups using religion as an excuse. The AntiVax MAGA crowd aren’t trying to stop vaccines for religious reasons, they’re doing it for political reasons. Some of them might try to use religion as an excuse (despite their religious literature saying nothing that would oppose vaccines) because they do not actually understand either religion or science.