Bold to presume that we would want to survive it.

Fwiw Musk says that he wants to leave Earth and go to Mars, which is great news for the rest of us:-).

Unpopular opinion: I actually respect this. It’s a personal decision not put upon anyone else, has nothing to do with political mis/disinformation, and is entirely consistent with the rest of their beliefs.

I don’t have to agree with them to respect how they choose to live their lives. Especially if they will keep their kids in seclusion if displaying symptoms and wear masks themselves when coming into town.

Maybe they’ll die, but that’s not my call to make, nor can I force them to live my way (nor do I want to).

Yes that works. For you, but doesn’t help new people joining here from Reddit. Lemmy requires enormous curation efforts to become fully usable. But it does work… so long as you never mod any communities, bc you can’t afford to block those users who would then be able to post invisibly to you.

By having an external source of truth to compare against. In this case you could spin up your own instance, and as a mod you could see where all the votes were coming from, so you could simulate having the same set of defederations as some other instance. Anything that does not match up then warrants further examination.

People did something similar and found that lemmy.ml was modifying its internal database logs - though it was claimed that it was merely due to the newest software release that it alone was running at the time, before it got rolled out to become public. I never followed through on that further.

That’s all somewhat expensive to do, but basically if you run your own instance then you have total control. (Even then, you won’t know what’s going on inside of the OTHER instances that you do not control!).

Lemmy.ml is not defederated from Lemmy.world, so new users will see everything by default.

Also, “instance blocking” would be better named as "community muting’, bc it leaves users from those instances free to vote and reply to your content, trigger notifications, and you’ll still see it in other communities.

To truly block it, someone has to first even know about it, and then the only real options are all rather extreme - move to an instance that has defederated from them all (Lemmy.ml in particular is extremely rarely defederated from), switch to using PieFed, a Lemmy alternative written in Python rather than Rust, or the Lemmy apps Sync or Connect. Or implement a filter like with Ublock Origin or some such. None of these are trivial, and again, none are available to new users to even be told are possible, or helpful to be done.

If I may say, with all due respect (truly), Reddit highly encouraged “engagement” for the sake of those stats being sold to advertisers hence increasing their profits.

But here we are free from such. Breathe a sigh of relief at that… and note how we can choose to do things differently here.

Yes, I am saying this bc you are new, in hopes that it will help bring you up to speed and explain why people are downvoting you (I didn’t myself btw). I hope you don’t feel I’m picking on you. Okay, I’ll shut up now and leave you alone!:-)

Did you do so in a community located on lemmy.ml? Try it, it should be fairly quick, and you’ll be banned from communities that you’ve never even heard of, for violating a rule that is written down nowhere that I can find.

Or maybe after the election seasons, they might not be as quick these days? It might have accomplished its purpose already.

I’m seeing a lot of people call Hexbear a tankie instance lately - they aren’t really though, they are an instance full of trolls who are militant against any belief system at all (most especially their own?), or as near to that as makes no difference. They constantly lie - most especially to one another, and have even been caught lying to other instance admins.

I would lump Hexbear in under a name like The Big Three (to block), but I just thought I’d point out that many people are going to argue at its being called specifically a “tankie” one. And ofc it’s more than just these three - e.g. Midwest.social has been caught in numerous scandals as well, though unlike the Big Three, the actual users there are perfectly fine, so I don’t advocate for blocking it, just avoiding the communities there.

Speaking of, the Lemmy “instance blocking” would have been much better named as a “community mute”, since it allows you to see the users from that instance, and they can vote on and reply to your content, triggering notifications, etc. The only real way to do an actual instance block is to move to an instance that has defederated from it (requires admin rights), or use PieFed that can implement a true user block from any instance you ask for (no admin approval necessary), or the Lemmy apps Sync and Connect can likewise do that.

You are not the first person I’ve heard this from. Ironically the people who avoid anything even resembling a political topic can have quite the calm experience there, in the other communities.

However, it’s still supporting that behavior, and there’s also the “first they came for” mantra, which suggests that even though they haven’t banned you from the entire instance yet, it may still lead to a shocking surprise when they eat your face off later rather than sooner.

But yes there are many other instances to choose from:-). Like feddit.org for a location-based instance for someone in Europe, or Discuss.Online for someone based in the USA, or themed instances such as programming.dev or literature.cafe, etc.

Absolutely: the voting systems were out there for a reason:-).

Is it really the fault of the system then, if it was set up with one intention but then was abused?

Btw, reddthat.com has downvotes disabled, so if you made an account there you would never see them again. The downvotes would still affect the sorting of the comments on other instances though, and thereby the frequency of replies.

I for one want downvotes, if I say something incorrect then I deserve it, but I don’t want downvotes from people who are just trolling - nor upvotes from them, nor replies either - bc then it takes some of my time and attention to try to guess what is going on, and sort true facts from their fictional views of the world.

So for me, it’s not “voting” that I would like to see addressed and fixed, but rather the presence of trolls. Which PieFed (and the Lemmy apps Sync and Connect) provide many tools to help with, e.g. it can block all users from an instance, unlike the Lemmy feature of the same name that merely acts as a community muting but does not actually block the users themselves in any way.

I love how PieFed is heavily pushing towards the democratization of moderation, but that’s another subject altogether I suppose:-).

Lemmy.ml enacts censorship in this manner as well

I was talking about censorship in general, but you might be right specifically about Luigi mentions on those instances, I would not know.

There are whole entire communities dedicated to discussion of this effect - e.g. [email protected].

Your example removed comment is fair, although done by a community mod rather than as the OP article here suggests done without the Reddit sub mods even being able to see the comments prior to removal. Then again, Lemmy.World is rather authoritian on the spectrum. You can always move your account to some other instance that you prefer better btw, like lemmy.dbzer0.com if you want a more anarchist experience or slrpnk.net for communism.

The beauty of Lemmy is not that we are a so-called “free speech platform” - bc we are definitely NOT that! - but rather that we can easily shift over to somewhere else if need be, even spin up our very own instance (that one takes resources, time, and technical knowledge).

For example, I’ve given up on most of the largest communities on Lemmy.world, most of the time, and subscribe rather to smaller versions elsewhere.

Yes, but note that it was happening here as well. Certain places here were HIGHLY active in the BoTh SiDeS sAmE activity, just prior to the USA election, and similarly influenced other elections world-wide. Learn which places these are, so that you can take full advantage of the Fediverse, which isn’t “a place” so much as a forum software that allows many many places to share their content - but all sides here are NOT equally dedicated to truthiness.

Here is one example:

Judge for yourself what you think might be the intention for making and spreading it… although if we are going by the mantra of the effects that it may have caused possibly being the reason for which it was made, it looks to me to suggest that people in the USA should not be enthusiastic about voting or encouraging others to vote for Kamala Harris.

Edit: to be clear I’m not suggesting that Lemmy is “the same” as Reddit - in some ways we are worse here, being even more authoritian than Reddit was (or rather “is” I guess:-P), but in other ways it’s so, so much better, in that we can pack up and move to another instance and simply carry on, having access to the vast majority of content as before (exceptions include defederations and a DM directed to our old account won’t follow us), which was (oops, “is” again:-) not true for Reddit.

These are the kinds of helpful comments that made Reddit a great platform to visit, once upon a time. Now, I’m glad that we still get to read this type instead on the Fediverse.:-)

Apparently saying [some stuff] is now against the rules too even though they never told us

Lemmy.ml enacts censorship in this manner as well, as too does Midwest.social. But there are so very many other instances that do not, making the former easy to avoid while being able to engage with a ton of content:-).

I’m guessing it says “either I’m being forced to use this language or it’s the only related one I know how to use, but only halfway”:-)

People keep saying Python, despite how it (1) sucks, and (2) is super annoying to keep up to date, with package management and the like, unlike Perl that is more stable. Though Python is also easy to use and powerful and extensible.

But I think each language type is what it is and has its own set of tradeoffs and balances. Unix is hyper-stable and secure but limited, Perl is powerful but requires discipline to use to full effect, and these days most people don’t bother to learn it. Python is… “common”, is perhaps the best way to put it:-). C/C++ is even more powerful, the latter bloated, and blamed for most memory management issues (although really, how much of that is merely bad programming practice? Okay, so it allows such though).

And now Rust is the new hot thing.:-)

Having to work within such constraints, it really showed me difficulties that modern languages try to entirely abstract away from you. e.g. there are only so many “registers” that physically exist, before you have to start using much slower to access memory locations - a very far cry indeed from automated variable garbage collection!!

Try assembly then - it’ll freaking blow your mind!:-)

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