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and a Boston man was arrested for slapping stickers of Musk making a Nazi-like salute on Tesla vehicles
Better have him taken out back and shot, right? 🙄
I bet it is this sticker, lol
I think it was this one which also got banned from Reddit:
Oh, I like that one! Direct and to the point.
Hey, since when is it bad to want to kill Nazis? Last I heard that was generally encouraged. It’s the whole moral foundation that the first person shooter genre was based on.
I don’t know, I’m principally against the death penalty. Don’t get me wrong, I won’t lose sleep if a nazi is granted an early exit, and it’s of course fine to kill nazis in video games since it’s not real. Also, I do like the revolutionary energy of those stickers, I understand where they’re coming from (the goal is to make nazis afraid and I’m all in on that!). Still, they advocate for stuff outside of my morality. I’m fine removing power from nazis, by force if necessary (usually is because they’re assholes who don’t give a crap about the social contract) but I don’t see killing anyone (or anything) as something to be desired, I can only agree with it when it’s a self-defense/survival type scenario. I guess one exception would be if it’s someone like Putin: well guarded, very difficult to apprehend, and kills people by the day for every day he’s not stopped, so it kind of makes it a self-defense/survival thing.
The only way to make Nazis afraid again is to warn them, in their own language: violence.
Murder sucks, but sometimes letting them continue is worse. If they remove other options for justice then justice must be served in whatever form is left.
‘murder’ is unjustified killing. A justified killing is not murder.
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There’s always more options. However, there needs to be a point where you don’t let them keep going. Sure, we could have continued to negotiate with Hitler instead of going to war. At some point you have to accept that the thing you’ve been trying to avoid is the best option left.
I think for a lot of people, they’d normally be right there with you, and as you mentioned with self defense, the more people are pushed into survival-mode against someone hell-bent on destroying you, it starts to feel like destroying Nazis is the moral thing to do. Are you familiar with the Paradox of Tolerance? If you tolerate intolerance, it will take over society, so one could argue you must never tolerate intolerance. With Nazis being the real world embodiment of this paradox, extending that reasoning, the morally responsible thing to do is to destroy Nazis any time and place they spring up.
You say “destroy” but you mean murder. That’s not okay. I know the Paradox of Tolerance, and it doesn’t say to jump to straight-up murder. That should never be the first thought, it should be the worst case scenario.
I think you missed the point.
No offense, but they would murder you without a second thought, without remorse, and without any shame whatsoever. They would be banking on getting a pardon for it, too. It happened to the Jan 6 traitors, it happened to the Nisour Square Massacre bastards, Ross Ulbricht got a pardon even though he literally tried to hire a hitman to kill two federal agents (those same feds were also thieves and corrupt and got busted for their crap). This shit isn’t cool, but they treat it like it is.
The whole cartoon hero/villain dynamic of ‘I am not like you, I will not do that’ should only happen AFTER they are thoroughly defeated and no longer capable of harming you, then you can put them up on trial and show them no mercy in the court room.
The situation with the Gaza genocide and the extreme corruption at higher levels completely altered my view of the death penalty. I used to be 100% against the death penalty, but now I am only against it for common criminals and common crimes. People like Ted Cruz and the BTK killer (a mass shooter and serial killer respectively) should rot in prison for the rest of their lives, but war criminals like Netenyahu and IDF foot soldiers who commit war crimes need to be executed with all haste and minimal appeals. Ditto for ‘businessmen’ like Musk and Zuckerberg who thrive on fucking people’s lives over. This goes for high level politicians like Trump and Duterte (who was recently arrested).
Simply put, let the punishment match the scale of the crime. Some armed robber should not receive a harsher sentence for robbing and killing a shop owner than a multinational corporate CEO whose decisions involved crashing entirely economies just so he can spite someone online.
Yeah wtf I love playing games where you get to kill nazis. Wolfenstien
I find Wolfenstein 1 and 2 to be extremely therapeutic.
Fuck Reddit.
😂MaNDA
Ironic that he referenced Carnegie. Carnegie and Rockefeller were so terrified of the public that Rockefeller refused to leave his mansion for years at a time, and Carnegie fled to England, where he publicly supported Unions, but privately told Frick to squash the strikers. That blew up in his face, and he had to capitulate to all the demands the workers had.
I think Musk is a red herring for the Trump administration to divert attention away from Trump. Keep the eye on the ball. If there was no Trump Elon wouldn’t have this power.
I don’t agree.
These fascists are all following the political ideology and strategies laid out by Curtis Yarvin under the pseudonym Mencius Moldbug. He’s been in the orbit of people like Peter Thiel for 10+ years and has been very influential among the tech oligarch crowd.
His vision centers around creating a tech-oriented monarchy for America. At the top would be the president who would operate more like the Chairman of the Board in a corporate structure. Rather than governing on a day-to-day basis, this President/King would appoint a CEO to oversee the actual management of government. That’s the role Musk has taken on.
Trump appoints Musk to do the actual running of the country to accomplish what Trump wants accomplished while letting Trump seem above the fray (at least that’s the intention, Trump is too incompetent to actually stay above the fray). Musk isn’t a red herring. He’s not diverting from anything. He’s just the guy doing the job so Trump can go golf all day.
This is it! I think the problem the are facing is musk thought he was way more popular than he was( started believing his twitter bots)
No corporation has ever been anything other than a dictatorship. They are the least democratic of institutions. Why do people think any differently?
Yo that’s the exact line of reasoning I used to get my dad to be more union friendly. I think it’s pretty effective.
I think he’s an easy target, and whether you think he’s culpable or not, he’s very visible, and taking him down in every possible way is a good thing.
Look at that taxpayer money protecting all that private property of an oligarchy who is shitting on the working folk.
Cute little regime they got going for themselves
Something that isn’t reported enough is that Elon borrowed heavily against his ownership of Tesla to buy Twitter. It is thought that at around $100 a share he will be margin called which will mean that Elon will have to pay the loan back in cash immediately which will bankrupt him completely and enact the rage of his handlers the Saudis and Putin as they are the ones who drummed up support for the deal in the first place by holding a majority of the non-institutional debt.
I really doubt that somebody will margin call one of the most powerful men in the world who is in control of the president of the United States.
Normally I would agree with you but with how hard the current US administration is pushing Tesla sales I think they are legitimately concerned / there is an actual chance this could happen: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/elon-musk/trump-musk-tesla-white-house-showroom-buys-car-rcna195905
Russia does not give a single fuck about their assets getting burned. It happens all the time. It’s part of their playbook to make their assets more and more bold.
I want to believe…
Sorry to be that guy but can you give any sources for this? I would love this to be true and want to tell my friends but yeah a source would be nice…
This sounds really interesting but I lack the necessary economics background to understand it. Instead of having to research for potentially hours, do you mind please dumbing it down a little for me? The parts I don’t understand are “borrow against an ownership”, “holding non-institutional debt”. You don’t have to of course
The same way your mortgage is backed up by your house. If you default on your mortgage, the bank can take your house in foreclosure.
Rather than sell shares to raise the money, Musk has backed his borrowing with Tesla shares. Basically, if he doesn’t pay back the loan, the banks get the shares. Unlike houses, shares can change value quite quickly. If the value of the loan exceeds the value of the shares, then the banks start to get VERY nervous. They will call in the loans to get what they can, before things get worse. This could crash the share price further, since they will want to offload the shares as soon as possible.
Musk is extremely rich. However, like most extremely rick people, his money is tied up in shares. If Tesla falls fast enough, he could end up owing more than he has in assets. As soon as his creditors pull the plug, he becomes bankrupt.
If those guys are supposed to be in uniform - no two are dressed the same. One guy didn’t tie his shoes, another’s jacket doesn’t fit. It is very sloppy and unprofessional looking.
Fits in perfectly with the Tesla brand then, doesn’t it.
I can’t even get passed how gross it is to see this many cops standing in front of a business where there is no visible evidence of violent activity where people might be harmed. It just looks like a statement saying this is our priority - corporate welfare for the Uber rich and worst possible human specimens at the cost of taxpayer dollars. It’s so gross I can’t even work my way to the nuances of how these slobs are dressed.
It’s what policing is for. It’s never been about protecting people but businesses
There’s a reason people say officers are class traitors. Policing has never been about protecting the public; It has always been about suppressing the masses and protecting the elite.
I burst out laughing at “heavy police presence”, those guys look heavy alright.
It’s worse than that. Trump is a figure head, Elon is ceo and Peter Theil and his ghouls are board of trustees. Butterfly revolution, Curtis yarvin. State as a company.
We shouldn’t make people scared for owning a Tesla, just embarrassed.
i’m gonna lean on the side of “fuck that shit” on this one. buying a tesla is a choice. maga are terrorizing people for things they didn’t choose like skin color, gender, sexual orientation, etc, and that list will only get longer
fuck tesla, and fuck tesla buyers. unlike their holy godman idol musk, i value empathy. but not for people who pridefully show none of it themselves
A lot of regular Tesla owners genuinely didn’t know a ton about the company and until the last few years Musk wasn’t quite so openly a Nazi.
I have zero sympathy for Cybertruck owners but I am going to wait to reserve judgement on average Tesla owners until I have proof it was bought recently and that they are okay with Musk as he is.
The reality is some people can’t just up and trade in the car as easily as they might want to, even if they hate Musk and all he stands for now.
Model Y Juniper just started shipping this month. Its a glaring sign that says they bought it after everything Musk did.
I wasn’t aware because I don’t follow Tesla but that’s really useful info because you’re damn right.
People with ordinary Teslas might have bought them before Musk was a total ass. And apart from some dumb ideas like steering yokes and poor emergency releases and build quality they’re not that bad.
The Cybertruck is objectively bad and deserves ridicule regardless of what Lengthy Nutria does.
Musk was always a total ass. Agree maybe ppl were unaware until recently though
I have a Tesla (2017). Had no idea who this guy was at the time, I just liked the idea of an electric vehicle, and buying into a future without ICE. Cars been great, company not so much.
Musk can go to hell though that’s for sure
fair enough. i still say fuck’em. there are many more people much more deserving of my sympathy than fucking tesla owners
For many of us we’ve had our vehicles for a long time before Elon went dipshit crazy. For some it’s because EVs were essentially dogshit before the Model 3 was introduced. Either short range grocery getters or expensive luxury. Even now most “electrified” vehicles everyone advertises are hybrids, not EVs.
I got my Model 3 near the end of 2018. Elon wasn’t posting far right and Nazi shit at that time. He was sort of controversial, but that was about it.
That’s why I don’t have ill will for people for having a non cybertruck Tesla unless you can tell it’s new. But if you don’t have an anti elon sticker I’m starting to side eye them
Yeah, I’m sure a lot of people are in that unfortunate situation. I can’t imagine the trade in value is improved. Sorry you’re getting shit for buying a vehicle that was supposed to be less harmful to the environment, I guess the lesson is avoid musk products.
Model 3 is still expensive luxury
The model 3 was designed and marketed to be an affordable EV, and is still one of the cheaper options on the market.
Do you think any new vehicle is a luxury item?
Base price is 42k tho what are you talking about. That’s like 3 budget cars. No wonder Americans can’t handle egg prices when your finance education functions based on marketing trajectories 🙄
What if I told you not everyone buying the car did so with daddy musk on the mind?
I don’t care. It’s not like its a nececity for people to own a swasticar.
Okay. Sell your car right now and buy another one. Prove its not a big deal.
I don’t have a car.
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It’s still supporting a complete wanker regardless of what you had in mind.
I dont think you realize how many wankers there are that go undetected because they know how to shut the hell up. Moreover, I dont think you realize how buying a car works and how little selling the car would alleviate the problem.
I am aware if how many complete wankers there are out there that go unnoticed. You can’t help supporting them since they’re good at hiding their BS.
But the difference is that Elon is a known wanker therefore you can avoid supporting him but not buying into his shit. It’s not like he’s selling something you can’t get elsewhere.
There’s tesla buyers who dont even know who musk is or what he does/owns. I dont know who owns BMW, Ford, Volkswagen etc. People could easily decide to buy a tesla and not know.
And using hate to fight hate isn’t always the best, these maga fucks will just use it as fuel for their regime, embarassing them is a much better way, stickers etc sure, but you shouldnt be physically violent to the person.
There’s tesla buyers who dont even know who musk is or what he does/owns.
Citation??
Or, you just guessing based on the sentence that follows… 🤔
I’d bet significant money that 99.999% of rational car-buying adults know the relationship Musk/Tesla. 🤷♂️
The internet isn’t real life.
How surprised were you at the last few US elections? Tells you everything you need to know about how uninformed the majority is.
Prove there isnt. Just because we sit on the internet well connected, doesnt mean the average joe is. As I was saying about not knowing who owns other automotive companies, can you name them all? Can you tell me all their political views? It’s not too hard to imagine someone buying a tesla without researching the company, come on.
And anyone who does or did know about musk owning them before, could have bought the car before he became a prolific nazi. You cant be serious if you think every tesla owner did deep research into elon musk. Thats so out of touch.
“There’s tesla buyers who dont even know who musk is or what he does”
I’m going to have to call bs on that.
Preordered 2016, bought in 2018 well before he was out of the Nazi closet.
Had service done in 2022, this is how my service advisor signed his fucking email.
It’s embarassing.
Seems unlikely when exposed to communities like this online, seems very likely when you talk to people who dont go online much.
It’s also an extreme luxury item - no one needs to buy one.
Tesla is a premium product at best, they absolutely aren’t a luxury item. The S and X possibly, but most of the vehicles they sell aren’t particularly expensive.
It starts at 42,000 as base model - it absolutely is a luxury product.
42 thousand for a brand new vehicle, and you think that’s a luxury item?
Bear in mind, the idea of an electric vehicle is you pay more up front, and less in running costs.
Thats 3 budget vehicles, no? Any other product that’s costs 3x of a budget version price is a luxury product.
It’s also less than half the price of a 7 series BMW, which is a vehicle most people would consider a “luxury” vehicle.
Yeah just like thousands of civil servants are “embarrased” of losing their jobs. Just like judges are “embarrased” that the executive branch is ignoring their rulings. Just like millions of Ukrainians are “embarrased” of losing their home. Get over your fucking self… we are at war.
Nah, I got one and I support this. (geting rid of mine)
*swasticar
Agreed they shouldn’t be scared for owning a Tesla. They should be made to live in fear.
Isn’t driving around in one of those poorly-made death trap vehicles enough then?..
…Nah, probably not.
I like em scared. We don’t shun enough.
I saw my first tesla a few weeks ago. I was walking in a target parking lot, and it passed by me to get to the other end of the parking lot, which is a strip mall.
I felt it was my civic duty to go laugh at what I THOUGHT was going to be a 50 year old white guy with a red hat. I was going to go walk up to him, point, and laugh. Calling him a pussy free loser for driving that car.
I was not prepared for what happened next. I see the car circling around, like it can’t find a spot, even though 90% of the strip mall was empty. Finally, he pulls up right next to the spot I was standing near. I was like “ooooooh, here we go!”
Door opens on the passenger, and 3 little Asian kids get out. Followed by an Asian woman in her 30s. Then the driver side opens. And a blind Asian man gets out.
Now what the fuck am I supposed to do??? I’m still trying to figure out if/how he was driving. I’m not saying being blind is a coverall for shitty behavior like driving a tesla…but I just couldn’t bring myself to call a blind guy a pussy free loser in front of his wife and kids.
NONE of it makes sense. And I feel dumber for having experienced my first tesla.
Seriously though, does ANYONE have any context for how a blind man with seeing stick can drive a car? It’s been driving me crazy, because I know what I saw…I just can’t explain what I saw.
It’s almost as if regular people buy cars that fit their lifestyle and not their politics or something.
So… what about SpaceX?
It’s way harder to find a spaceX dealership to torch
Also hard to torch something that’s already burst into a million pieces. HEY-YO!
There is a small, but not completely minute, chance that SpaceX employees may be on this.
These people have a brain, and are only in the company to gain experience. Who knows, maybe one or two engines may get damaged in the process.
Duuuude. The enslaved Jews were pissing on the V2 avionics causing the missiles to crash. You could be right. Fuck Elon.
Actually resistance in concentration camps is an untold saga. The most famous example is the inverse “B” in “Arbeit Macht Frei”, but there where more examples, and less subtle too, like full blown antifascist banners in barracks, even sabotage and espionage in the gas chambers. Never give up!
I’d sabotage their satellites but they are really hard to get to
Networking is tough but not impossible, signals can be jammed, as long as it’s not reliable it’s as good as useless
Sounds nearly impossible. Not sure about satelites, but ground stations use phased antenna array, which makes filtering out jammer easy.
You don’t buy a Tesla? Believe it or not, straight to jail. No trial no nothing.
I think that’s an overkill approach to convince us to not buy a Tesla.
It’s no longer about convincing people to stop buying a Tesla, it is now about destruction.Everyone knew this is where it would lead.
