• ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
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    16 days ago

    A coworker of mine started falling down the YouTube conspiracy rabbit hole. He said something about the moon landing maybe being a hoax. I told him that when I was in college I used the big telescope to look at the moon landing site, so I knew for sure it was real. After that, he believed in the moon landing.

    Now of course I was lying about seeing the moon landing site. Terrestrial telescopes can’t see the landing site. I convinced my friend to believe the truth by countering a lie from a stranger with a lie from someone he trusts.

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      16 days ago

      I upvoted this, and then I was like “wait a sec… are they fooling us?” and had to look up if you can’t see the moon landing site from Earth.

      Of course you can see the site, but indeed no telescope has enough resolving power to see any items left there. So I guess you didn’t fool us this time.

    • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.world
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      16 days ago

      Pedantry alert, neerrrr:

      You can see the moon landing sites easily enough if you know where to look, and can match up the geography easily. What you can’t do from the ground is what a lot of folks expect, which is see any of the left behind equipment, rover tracks, boot prints, flags, etc. for a couple of reasons. First, the features are too small to be physically possible for a purely optical telescope to actually resolve. And even then, the random motion of the Earth’s atmosphere would distort your image too much to make out anything that small at that distance.

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        15 days ago

        random motion of the Earth’s atmosphere

        Are you able to elaborate on what you mean by this at all please, or possibly suggest a direction to look in to find more about what this means and the implications?

        • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.world
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          15 days ago

          Have you ever looked at something on the horizon and it’s all shimmery and wavy and won’t hold still? That’s because air (and moisture in the air) diffracts light. And the air is not still, either. When you’re looking an incredibly small object that’s extremely far away the effect is rather like trying to see through one of those pebble textured glass shower doors, except if it were moving and the object you were looking at were the size of a gnat. And also several miles past the door.

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            Just to add to this, air at different temperatures and moisture levels bends light to different degrees, which is why the layers and pockets of air that form our atmosphere make stars shimmer. It’s partially why astronomers are so eager to get telescopes into space (like Hubble and the James Webb), since the lack of this effect lets them resolve much smaller light sources than you could hope to beneath the atmosphere.

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      15 days ago

      That’s exactly the sort of thing I was thinking about. White lies to steer people away from fear and hate … benevolent demagoguery?

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        15 days ago

        In ATLA, there’s an infamous episode called The Great Divide.

        Aang tells a lie to get two tribes to stop fighting a pointless feud that’s been going on a hundred years or so. And the fandom seems to get all huffy about that.

        I think he did the right thing. If there’s nothing to prove he’s lying about how the feud began, then there’s nothing to prove about why it should continue either.

    • YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world
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      15 days ago

      Have you been telling this story a while? Or are you intentionally taking credit for something you didn’t do for meme cred?

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    16 days ago

    “All the conman did was take his money. You made him feel stupid.”

    Don’t remember who that quote was from, but I always liked it.

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    16 days ago

    Plot twist: there is no direct evidence that Twain ever said such a quote. Which is very fitting for this meme, its’ very point itself.

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    15 days ago

    “To fool a person is easy; you just need to overcome their intelligence. To convince a person they have been fooled is difficult; you have to overcome their pride.” I forget where I read that.

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      15 days ago

      Or, as has been my experience:

      “Every time an engineer designs something that’s foolproof, it’s destined to prove him a fool in the end.”

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    15 days ago

    I wanted to see if this was really a quote by Mark Twain and found this article on snopes which states that there is no evidence linking this quote to Twain. Instead there is a quote from one of his books with a similar sentiment so its possible it was someone paraphrasing Twain

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-mark-twain-say-its-easier-to-fool-people-than-to-convince-them-that-they-have-been-fooled/

    So, ironically, the quote is meta AF.