What if Apple decided to release their “M” series processors a desktop CPUs? How would that change the market?
It would also be interesting to see Samsung Foundry release desktop Exynos chips or maybe Qualcomm “X” processors for desktop that are more powerful than the laptop chips.
p.s. I know they would never do anything like that, but it would be interesting to imagine how the market would change with more competitors
The Exynos, M series, and Qualcomm chips are all ARM architecture, as opposed to the AMD and Intel CPUs, which are x86.
Because of this, the majority of software wouldn’t natively work on them. Apple has obviously developed versions of many programs that function on their laptops, and could extend the same treatment to the hypothetical desktop product. The other chip companies do not have this benefit, and would have to develop supported software from the ground up
also, it would be really tricky to get people to buy new, probably expensive ARM motherboards (especially with Apple involved)
It would likely open up the market for arm motherboards, since they’re not the only player in the game. I think it would ultimately be a good thing, but it would probably take a decade or so to truly compete with x86-64.
You mean as stand alone parts for purchase?
Because Apple does have m series chips in desktop configurations already- the Mac Studio and iMac.
How is it different from thier laptops? The new ones have the M processor.
I wonder what a motherboard designed by Apple would look like…
also, given Apple, they would probably try to make everything proprietary (non-standard motherboard shapes, non-standard connecters, etc)
Years ago, I built a hackintosh. So gigabyte mobo with Intel cpu. At that point, I learned you couldn’t legally buy apple software (OS), independently of their hardware.
Apple has no interest in people screwing with their stuff, and I’ve never looked at them since. I’m an Andriod , Linux guy. Apple can kick rocks.
Dell is already releasing Qualcomm SoC Latitudes. There are bound to be compatibility issues, but performance wise it’s kinda undeniable that this is where the market is going. It is far more energy efficient than an Intel or AMD x86 CPU and holds up just fine. The main downsides you’ll see could likely be resolved with ASICs, which is how Intel keeps 4k video from being choppy on low end APUs for example. Compared to M4, Qualcomm’s offering is slightly better at multithreaded performance and slightly worse at single thread. The real downside to them is really the reliance on raw throughput for tasks that both brands of CPUs have purpose built daughter chips for.
it’s kinda undeniable that this is where the market is going. It is far more energy efficient than an Intel or AMD x86 CPU and holds up just fine.
Is that actually true, when comparing node for node?
In the mobile and tablet space Apple’s A series chips have always been a generation ahead of Qualcomm’s Snapdragon chips in terms of performance per watt. Meanwhile, Samsung’s Exynos has always been behind even more. That’s obviously not an instruction set issue, since all 3 lines are on ARM.
Much of Apple’s advantage has been a willingness to pay for early runs on each new TSMC node, and a willingness to dedicate a lot of square millimeters of silicon to their gigantic chips.
But when comparing node for node, last I checked AMD’s lower power chips designed for laptop TDPs, have similar performance and power compared to the Apple chips on that same TSMC node.
The market runs Windows, so it would entirely depend on how well Windows runs on them. If you’re buying an Apple chip to run macOS, you’re already getting the best deal out of Apple anyway.
Given the history of Exynos I doubt Samsung will ever make anything high performance. If you want high performance ARM, you’ll probably want to go for something like Ampère, like the workstation that System76 is selling right now.
The modern Snapdragons seem more than fast enough for most desktop use. They have PCIe capabilities so in theory you could just hook up a GPU and use them in a gaming rig. The most power efficient gaming rig could hilariously be a Qualcomm CPU paired with an Intel GPU. Qualcomm’s media encoder/decoder is also leagues ahead of the desktop competition, so streamers may get an edge there if OBS can take advantage of the hardware acceleration. Unfortunately, from what I’ve seen on reviews, some games don’t like to run on ARM. Performance is just fine (very impressive for laptop GPUs!) but without stability, you’re not attracting many gamers.
If Qualcom targets the desktop market, I expect them to go all in on Apple Mini style computers. Their Snapdragon chips inside those ultra thin desktops Lenovo sells pack a surprising punch and they’re more than good enough for most desktop use. Taking the fight to gaming seems like picking an uphill battle for no reason.
Unfortunately, modern ARM designs all seem to go the same route as Apple, with unified memory for both CPU and GPU. You can run the CPU on swappable DIMMs, but the GPU needs more bandwidth than that, so you’ll need to get soldered RAM. I was hoping LPCAMM2 would fix that, but Framework and AMD tried and couldn’t get their new AMD chip to work without soldering the memory for stable performance, so I’m thinking the days of swappable memory are coming to an end.
