• Bunbury@feddit.nl
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    I think he wants it removed because of the effect on Tesla. He’d prefer if he could do things without consequences for his actions.

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      I assume it sucks feeling consequenses for the first time in his life. I hope he feels some more consequenses.

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    In Musk logic: it’s not bad when he does it. It’s bad when people start discussing it, because they might come to a disapproving conclusion.

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      I never actually watched the video. Now that I watched I think he didn’t mean to make a Nazi salute. He pressed his chest before raising his hand. I think he meant to salute his audience. That would also align with what he’s saying.

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        Yes, the way a Nazi would - now shut the fuck up about it not being a Nazi salute.

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          Yes, the way a Nazi would - now shut the fuck up about it not being a Nazi salute.

          You shut the fuck up. Bring your toxicity and unhappy life elsewhere.

          Imagine some random person on the internet said something you don’t like and you immediately get triggered like that. Laughable.

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              People on the internet are way too soft and emotional these days. Man-up and stop wining about trivialities. My comment was not Nazi related. It was just an observation. No reason to be insulting.

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                Why are you defending fascists by running defense for them? That’s a really bad look.

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                People on the internet are way too soft and emotional these days. Man-up and stop wining about trivialities.

                Yes. That includes you, here, in this thread.

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            imagine being a stupid fucking ingrate who is directly responsible for the downfall of democratic ideals?

            fuck you asshole

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              You’re making a lot of assumtions. Musk is a prick and I hate him. What makes you think I tolerate him?

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                Guy goes out of his way to defend Musk, turns around with ‘BuT AcKsHuAlLy I hAtE mUsK! cHeCkMaTe LoSeRs!’

                I’ll be reminding you of this conversation if I see you commenting again.

                Don’t bother deleting or editing your messages, I’ve already got them screenshot and saved.

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                  First of all, I’m not defending anyone. You lack reading comprehension. Me saying I interpret this not as a Nazi salute does not imply I like Musk or think he’s not a Nazi.

                  Second, I’m not deleting any messages. They got removed by mods for being insulting. So are other messages by other people who insulted me. But you can see that as it says “removed by mods”. Back to reading comprehension…

                  Go ahead and save screenshots of my comments and fill up your storage. You realize how this sounds right? You need to relax buddy. This is just a random thread on the internet. Nothing life-changing. Go outside, see the sun.

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          Seeing this, or a similar one, was what made me realise there was no other plausible explanation for what he was doing.

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          Also if they say they are not 100% the same tell them that American Nazis did add the chest slap to the whole thing.

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        He had ample opportunity to go back and apologize, say he didn’t mean to, with how it looked, anything. But no he went to double down with anti semitism, and supporting the afd. He didn’t, it was a nazi salute, and it shouldn’t be shouldn’t be defended.

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              What do you mean? Hitler is doing the Roman salute. Which is not what Musk was doing in this video.

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                The claim that the salute has its origins in ancient Rome is dubious at best and ignores the fact that the salute is immediately associated with Nazism. Not a single Roman work of art depicts the salute. Don’t you think that’s a little fishy? There is evidence that it actually originated from the National Fascist Party, under Mussolini. Suffice to say there’s no good evidence that it originated from ancient Rome as opposed to it being a relatively new thing starting from the turn of the 20th century and originating in fascism.

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                Do you have any historical references to Romans doing that? Cause all I can find are fascists doing a salute called a Roman salute.

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            early on there was an analysis that showed it was closest to the South African right wing version. Which kinda makes sense, no?

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          Unbelievable how such a trivial and unimportant comment that I wrote while taking a shit can trigger such a fuss here. Insults after insults. Why can you not relax for a moment and be happy? I meant no harm with my comment. Blocking accounts on the Fediverse based on that… Pathetic

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        Hitler also did it. The only difference was that Elon Musk did so with more vigour. If he didn’t mean to make a Nazi salute, why did he respond with Nazi puns rather than apologizing?

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        I’d say you’re dumb as dog shit, but comparatively you make dog shit look smart.

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        Cool cool cool. So since it looks like a Nazi salute and was maybe accidental, he will surely apologize for the appearance and make sure no one misunderstands and thinks he is green lighting Naziism. That would be a good way to know. Should not take more than 24 hours. Even a tweet would help. Or a Xit or whatever we should call it now.

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        Were you born this fucking stupid or did you have to take classes?

        Who am I gonna believe? You or my lying eyes?

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    On TV the heil reaches the target audience in a way of plausoble deniability, on the internet it can be perceived constantly, thought of, discussed. That breeds dissent much more than passive, temporary consumption.

    That and he definetely wasn’t expecting the backlash to be as big as it was

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        He was resting the waters And to know his “limit”. Now that we know there are people are denying what it was, he can push it further, rally his/trumps base, create distractions and continue the grift while planting seeds of racism and violence among the communities. distraction mostly, but he’s a piece of shit human.

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        Most likely Musk was testing the waters, but there’s also a high probability that he’s just plain stupid, after all, this is the same guy who pretended to be the best PoE2 player by paying others to play the game for him, only to then accidentally expose his own lie on a live stream.

        Regardless of his reasons for making the gesture at that moment, taking into account his family history and the parties and people he supports, that gesture was without a shadow of a doubt a Nazi salute whose ideology he admires.

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          It’s pretty well-known (as he admitted on SNL in 2021) that Elon Musk has Asperger’s Syndrome. This is evident in his inability to understand social cues and appropriate communication, his hardwired complete lack of empathy, and his strange and overpowering obsession with the letter X. He probably thinks he’s being edgy or hilarious without understanding that there are social consequences for those things that he does not have the ability to comprehend in the moment. Even scarier, actually, if you look into the history of the man the condition was named for (Hans Asperger) and some of the things he was into… you know, like generic purity and being a Nazi.

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            I also have Asperger’s syndrome, it’s just the old name given to the condition of those who presented autism with the mildest symptoms of the spectrum, it doesn’t take away my ability to know the meaning of a Nazi salute and what doing it represents, so I see no reason to excuse him because of that.

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      On TV the heil reaches the target audience in a way of plausoble deniability

      Nope. I saw it live on TV and there was absolutely zero confusion of what it was.

      Anyone who thinks differently is dumb as hell.

      It was a nazi salute.

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    If he really didn’t want people to share a picture of him heil-ing, then he could always, oh, i dunno, STOP FUCKING HEIL-ING you stupid fucking twat

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    Remember when he was investigated by the SEC for Tweeting out that he was buying back Tesla stock for $420 apiece?

    And when he got booted out of the company he started because he insisted on naming it “X” despite everyone telling him that made it sound like a porn site?

    And when he accused those divers of being pedophiles because they rescued stranded children before he could find a way to make it about himself?

    And when just about every time he announces he’s saved government money, the number “saved” is immediately backtracked?

    And how the whole reason he owns Twitter is he made on offer that he immediately tried to back out of and would have if not for the threat of a multimillion dollar suit for breach of contract?

    Elon Musk does not think shit through. However smart or stupid he is, however deeply he does or doesn’t believe the Trump Administration’s fascist bullshit, he does not dedicate much time to thinking about it before he does stuff. I do not doubt for a moment that he performed and meant to perform a Nazi salute. As to what he was thinking, I cannot say. Maybe he cannot. He definitely has sympathies for anti-semitic and racist movements, but I don’t think he thought he was going to be hailed as the savior of the Aryan race for doing it. Maybe he thought it would be funny. Maybe he thought it would be “ironic.” Maybe he thought it would get “teh libz” in a tizzy. He probably didn’t think he would have to avoid ever going to Germany again under threat of being arrested. Whatever he was thinking, he probably wasn’t thinking it more than five seconds before he did it. And he’s clearly not thinking it now. Because despite being the richest man on the planet, Elon Musk is a bumblefuck who doesn’t think things through and has thus far been able to buy or otherwise ride his way out of any consequences of the things he has done without thinking about them.

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      ELON is such a 12yo manchild, thinks like a sex-curious, addict of that age. he would be the ones asking those wierd sexual question on askreddit sub.

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      Did Germany make him persona non grata or something? Or is there a standing arrest on sight order for Nazis in general

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      Because a nazi Sieg Heil is seen as a bad thing by 90% of the world and if he came out and admitted it was one he would probably lose a few supporters from being on his side (probably not a big amount but some)

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    because it didn’t work.

    the whole idea was to trigger the libs with a vague gesture, like that one bitch who turned it into an awkward wave, but he got a little too into it and now people are setting his cars on fire.

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      Vague gesture? It was a full on nazi salute.

      Why are you saying this? Just call it what it is for fucks sake.

      Are you afraid or something?

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        The above commenter is saying that Elon likely tried to be vague about what he was doing, but failed at subtlety and made an obvious Nazi salute.

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        You can try reading that comment again. Or maybe you replied to the wrong comment, because it doesn’t say anything remotely similar to what you are complaining about.

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          No. I responded to your comment about “vague gesture”.

          Did you already forget what you wrote? Are you suffering from amnesia?

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    He wanted to do it to please the Magats but not take any responsibility or have it used against him later.

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      I joined for the same reasons. The oligarchs can’t easily censor here as they have on reddit.

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    Is there confirmation that he actually specifically wanted that image off reddit? Or is this just someone making assumptions after the recent story about him interfering with moderation at reddit?

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      The latter. There’s no news about blocking his sieg heil, just articles about the doge critique and banning linking to X.