Summary
Dr. Peter Marks, the FDA’s top vaccine regulator, resigned after reportedly being forced out amid clashes with Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
In his resignation letter, Marks wrote that Kennedy wanted “subservient confirmation of his misinformation and lies.”
He criticized Kennedy’s stance on vaccines, accusing him of undermining public confidence.
Marks, who led the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research since 2016, played a key role in authorizing Covid vaccines and spearheading Operation Warp Speed. Kennedy, an anti-vaccine activist, has questioned the safety of Covid and MMR vaccines despite scientific consensus.
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a few years
Yeah no, measles wont take that long to take over the entire country. We really gotta do something fast.
We (US) don’t even have a vaccine record system to my knowledge. I’ve had many vaccines starting from birth but the only record I have in the vast majority of cases is knowing it in my head. I remember getting a few like MMR (measles mumps rubella) vaccines as a young child, but there’s almost zero chance I could prove that.
Hell, the only reason I even know what I have gotten as an adult is I made a list a while back from memory and then confirmed what I could with doctors visit records.
Your idea would keep me, a fully vaccinated individual, out of Europe. A place I want to escape to eventually.
You are right that the US has no national vaccine database. However some States have their own records database. I know mine does for instance. They know all the vaccines I’ve ever had. This does depend on the doctor/provider/hospital reporting to the State that they administered you a vaccine.
Thanks for this tip. I’ve lived in three states. I’ll check them. I didn’t know about this!
Correct, many states have their own databases. It was part of my job while in retail pharmacy in Oregon to check vaccination histories prior to giving them to verify they’re getting correct boosters at the right time
I wish the US had a vaccine record. The only record I have of my childhood vaccines are on some 30 year old pieces of paper in a folder somewhere in my house. A national record would make me feel safer about the possibility of a house fire and losing these papers.
I like the covid vaccine record. Somehow, those have followed me digitally between towns without me having to produce the card. More of that please.
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Sure act like trump. That’s the solution. Next you should close your borders entirely.
Some vaccines that may be possible but I can’t imagine it would be cheap even if you could check for the 20+ vaccines I’ve had.
Your motivation seems to be to punish good people for Trump’s actions. Pretty fucked up, petty, pointless, and unproductive if you ask me.
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If it weren’t for your horrible shit attitude we could probably talk. But go ahead with your generalizations and assumptions. Thank God for tags in Boost
We’re (US) the ones alienating ourselves from civilization, not them (Europe).
It’s rather simple for us to enter another country. Get the most basic required vaccines. Most of us already have them. It is reasonable for them to demand we prove it
I’m saying for those of us over 20 years old it’s probably hard or impossible to prove anything. I think it’s rather ironic that the reaction to trump being a piece of shit isolationist is to further isolate, not the government but people trying to escape it.
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This is bad. This is really bad. We knew it was coming, but if the FDA is dismantled to syncopats, a lot of people will die.
Corporations will cheap out on food safety, drug safey, medical device safety, health recommendations, vaccines, research, you name it.
Preventable disease will spread. More people will die in hospitals on life saving equipment. Any exported medications (I don’t know if that’s a thing) will have to be blocked by the receiving countries.
As a US citizen, I don’t say this lightly - the die has been struck and no one’s coming to save us. But you can control your own health destiny. If in the US, become familiar with the location of your nearest travel vaccine center and start getting some of the common ones as boosters. Most all produced vaccines worldwide can be had at these centers for $100-300. They usually don’t take medical insurance in my experience, but will be happy to give you most any vaccine you desire. Some insurances will reimburse some but not all expenses. I consider it an investment. Start now, getting everything that you can reasonably afford, as quickly as you can. If over 40, start with MMR (measles-mumps-rubella). Polio month after that. Then collect all the rest monthly like Pokémon cards. I believe that things are about to get high-risk/out of hand quickly, not just measles, but basically all previously eradicated diseases - and waiting until you have a locally-recognized breakout to visit your to administer a booster only works if you haven’t been exposed yet.
This is the same logic people like Kennedy use. Talk to your doctor about whether this would be helpful or effective. Don’t just go get vaccines because “if one is good two must be better!”
Respectfully disagree - not the same at all. It’s science proven that approved vaccines are useful for preventing infections, that’s why we have them in the first place. Kennedy’s logic is not based on science but rather false correlation and unsound intuition.
If your area has an outbreak in anything preventable, everyone will be encouraged to go get a vaccine if never received, or a booster if already vaccinated. Nothing wrong with getting vaccines/boosters ahead of time - lots wrong with not getting them.
This is the same logic people like Kennedy use.
It’s not the same logic it all? It’s not a huge leap to guess that we’re about to have a measles or bird flu pandemic.
Talk to your doctor about whether this would be helpful or effective. Don’t just go get vaccines because “if one is good two must be better!”
Did they recommend getting non-evidence-based repeat vaccinations? It just sounded like they recommended getting vaccinations that are not commonly given to US unless they’re traveling.
It’s not the same logic it al
“Vitamin C is good for you - TAKE ALL THE VITAMIN C!”
“Vaccines are good for you - COLLECT THEM LIKE POKEMON!”
Did they recommend getting non-evidence-based repeat vaccinations?
Yes: “Start now, getting everything that you can reasonably afford, as quickly as you can”
That’s a waste of money and resources if you don’t need boosters.
Yes: “Start now, getting everything that you can reasonably afford, as quickly as you can”
If you think the answer to that question is yes then I think you’ve misunderstood their point.
When vaccines are no longer available in the US, there will be a tourism boost from Americans going elsewhere to get them. You guys can just shift us left by helping lefties survive while conservatives self-select to be decimated by disease.
That isn’t how this works. Herd immunity is extremely important for people who actually can’t safely be vaccinated, but more importantly, having large populations of anti-vaxxers will create ample opportunity for the viruses to mutate into forms that we don’t necessarily have vaccines for.
We are all truly fucked unless we deal with these scum. It’s not just going to hurt the people causing the problem, and it will spread to the rest of the world.
You understand what you’re saying with “deal with these scum,” right? They are the government. If they don’t outright ban vaccines, they will pull all funding of them.
There is only one cure for a fascist government, and we aren’t desperate enough for that. Yet.
Until then, we’ll have to work around them. Many on the left are marginalized folks. I don’t include myself there, but if anyone in this country knows how to skirt the rules to live their life, it’s them. They will lead the way.
Underground vaccine clubs. Phrases like, “friends of Edward Jenner.” I mean it probably sounds a little more tongue in cheek than I intend. I’m not saying this will be a gay old time. I’m saying we will find ways to survive and thrive despite their best efforts, as people always have (I mean, you know, barring the occasional genocide).
And if it becomes desperate enough to remove fascists the only way they can be, we will do that, too.
I don’t disagree with any of this. We just also need to be realistic about the fact that viruses have no boundaries and they don’t discern between marginalized people and fascist shitheads when they mutate and spread.
That’s assuming other countries will still let you in. If there’s some outbreak a bit like the 'Rona again, they might say no vaccine no entry.
If they just forcibly vaccinate and quarantine, that would accomplish the mission. Worst vacation ever, though.
