The murders sparked protests in Messina, Rome and other Italian cities, including Bologna, on Wednesday night. Further events are planned on Thursday.
In March, Giorgia Meloni’s government approved a draft law which for the first time introduced a legal definition of femicide in criminal law, punishing it with life in prison while increasing sentences for crimes including stalking, sexual violence and “revenge porn”.
The law followed the strong public reaction to the killing of Giulia Cecchettin, a 22-year-old student who was murdered by her former boyfriend, Filippo Turetta, in November 2023. Turetta was sentenced to life in prison in December.
Extreme punitive measures from the police and carceral organs of the state will not solve misogynistic violence. I’m glad people are fired up about the problem but this is the wrong approach. It’s been tried 1000 times for other things and it never works.
But it works well for public opinion, which is what politicians care about most, unfortunately
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For a country like Italy, it will also require a cultural shift. I know they love their macho style hombres but that comes with a downside. I dunno, start at schools perhaps, where you can teach children from little to big on how they should interact together?
The exact same goes for Mexico
Italy probably has a different culture. Maybe it will work there, or they’ll learn the hard way.
But it will take the people who commit violence against women off the street. There are times when prison is not about rehabilitation its simply about removing danger.
Only after they do it. It doesn’t prevent anything.
Isolation is the one part of the carceral system that does have some effect, but I don’t think it’s the best way to achieve even that part.
I guess I don’t know the previous situation in Italy with regards to this issue. Was there a large number of people getting caught for these offenses and then released? Because killing someone and locking them up for 20 years is basically just as good from the perspective of separating victim and predator. It would be better to focus on consistent investigation and capture than on harsher penalties.
Or on programs that work to prevent violence in the first place. But we would only pursue those if we cared more about helping potential victims than about hurting offenders. That doesn’t seem to be the priority for most people.
They’re not looking to prevent violence they’re looking to isolate violence.
Prison has never and will never be a deterrence
“It is often said ‘not all men’. But they are always men.” Elena, sister of 22-year-old Italian Giulia Cecchettin who was brutally murdered by her former boyfriend.
That’s a very hyperbolic statement, and studies suggest about a quarter of spousal murders are committed by women. Closer to 3 in 8 in America.
When yo say “studies suggest” whose studies are you referring to? Are these peer reviewed studies? I find your “facts” hard to believe at face value.
3 out of 8 is a weird way to present a static. Kinda a red flag for spotting anyone trying to push a narrative. There’s more than enough data on this to present information in solid percentages or when dealing with population numbers of a society in the millions to billions people in base 10 numbers. 1:10, 1:100, 1:1000… 3 out of 8?! Like what was your sample size? 8?!
This is about Italy, not America. Social norms and mores differ.
Well, I guess if only one in four of these “always men” are women, that doesn’t count.
Of course it’s not all men, but there are enough men who kill women for no reason that it’s a problem … especially when the ‘good’ men stand around and do nothing to stop it.
If you don’t want to be lumped in with all men, good for you. Then say something when men start making dumb blonde jokes, or kid around about beating women until the listen/obey.
That’s a big leap… Dumb blonde to beating women.
While studiously ignoring 25% of the problem. Gotcha.
Using whataboutism to studiously ignore the issue at hand.
It truly is ‘all men’ when it comes to a discussion about femicide.
So we have a problem that is done by a tiny minority of one demographic, and a third as many of the population that aren’t part of that demographic, yet you insist that demographic is the key factor in the problem at hand, and I’m supposed to believe I, who haven’t committed this act, am a part of the problem.
If you want to keep believing that the core issue is that men (or generally people with high testosterone) tend to be more violent, is the key issue, and not that there are people of either gender who wish to treat others as objects and believe their feelings are more important than other people’s well-being, well, who am I to stop you? But you might find it easier to teach people that other people have agency and as many rights as them than you will trying to teach men that being a man is a problem. And you might reach 33% more people at risk of engaging in spousal violence than if you just look at men.
Are there usually good men standing around at the scene of a murder?
OP, just trying to understand and learn. Why are all your posts fear and rage inducing? All your posts are less than two days old and all of them are articles about problematic topics.
All my posts are not 2 days old, and I posted a good news story today.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/35507046
I appreciate your posts, keep it up!
Thanks. :)
I was hoping lemmy would be fee of these misogynistic mobs. I think these guys just proved your point. They presented no evidence or peer reviewed studies back up their made up facts. Femicide and rape culture is a huge problem worldwide. This mobbing of women online is part of the problem.
I saw only one user in this thread try to respond with an unspecified “studies say”. How is that a “mob”?
I’ve seen men enable violence against women my entire life. Bye Felicia
