Ok mr reviewer
Why don’t you tell us less about WV’s strategy a more about how the car is.
Does it spy on you? What kind of EULA will I need to agree to? Does it have car play/android auto? Does it have a 4G antenna to connect to VW servers even if I don’t enable the feature? Does it have an app? In what ways is VW going to try to get subscription money from me? How much does servicing cost? How much will a set of brake pads cost? Does VW support 3rd party repair shops? Does VW try to lockdown parts and forbid 3rd party repairs? Can it be remotely disabled? By me, by VW, by law enforcement? What happens when the battery needs replacing? What is the visibility like? If it horrible does it have obstable detection?
It’s a concept car; none of those things are actually known or knowable yet.
Fair
Ehhh I think it is. You should pretty much expect all of those things from any new car.
Consumers have spoken and they don’t care about privacy, reliability or repairability.
Concept cars are, by definition, not actually finished. Nobody will be able to buy the car that was being shown at the car show. The car that will be on sale in 2-3 years will be a thematically similar but fundamentally different creature.
Things like the onboard computer software/hardware/data sharing model won’t be defined yet. VW’s first party servicing costs or the price of replacement brake pads are not defined yet. It’ll be a job for a future car journalist to report on all those things once it’s actually defined.
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There’s nothing on that list that will be unique to this vehicle.
How do you know? What car would somebody buy if they cared about those things? There are no choices. There is not enough competition to have enough choices.
What car would somebody buy if they cared about those things? There are no choices
Because at one time there was a choice.
Do you even need to ask? It’s in the name, ID every1!
Does it spy on you?
All new cars do and this one doesn’t even hide it, it’s called “id everyone”.
Review what? It’s a concept. This is basically an ad. lol
Not to mention that VW lied to its customers before with the emissions scam…
Funny how you’re mostly asking questions that no real human cares about when shopping for car…
I’m a person, I care
The car he’s reviewing does not exist. He has some technical specs and a few renders to review.
They should produce a Beetle EV.
The Volkswagen Bug Zapper.
I don’t get thesr automakers, who is this made for, don’t they see that tesla is killing it with their largr batteries. Why can’t they put a 600miles battery with 2 motors for awd, get some fake noises/feels when changing gears, get some smaller rims with more rubber and put the best brake system for an 18" wheel - which I think is the Brembo Sensify. Keep the physical buttons for important features for easy access, add a huge lcd panel for navigation and include carplay/android auto wirelessly - done deal. Make it cost as much as a full blown tesla model s and call it a day - you just stole 90% of the market. Add quick charging system and then you just gotta start building better charging stations.
Wait tesla is killing them and if it wasn’t for Musk going full adolf, he could have had the universal people’s car.
EVs don’t need fancy brakes because they use regenerative braking.
Why can’t they put a 600miles battery with 2 motors for awd
They do that for more expensive models.
The advantage of small batteries is higher efficiency and more range per charge hour in addition to a cheaper car.
I don’t get thesr automakers, who is this made for, don’t they see that tesla is killing it with their largr batteries.
It is made for people living in places where you maybe don’t need to drive 50 miles to go to the nearest mall… a car with 600 miles autonomy would be an overkill if you just need to drive about 10/20 miles a day while commuting.
Why can’t they put a 600miles battery
because they are useless for the target market.
If you don’t need to drive that long distance for everything, you don’t need big batteries with all the associate problems (weight, dimension and so on) that in the end don’t give you any real bonus if not the fact that maybe you can recharge it less often.The problem is that the battery degrades, so it’s a good idea to keep it charges to 60-80% so that it last way longer. If you have 600 miles of max range then that means you can easily have 360-480 miles for your driving. This is overkill as well right ? Wrong, if you live in a cold climate it practically gets halved so now you have 180-240 miles of driving.
Let’s say it’s summer though, now you want to drive 600 miles to your nearest ocean/sea and want to sightsee along the way. With a battery that big you might have to charge once and not even fully to have enough confidence driving to places where charging might be limited.
That’s why smaller batteries make sense only if you use the car for daily commuting, now you need to rent or buy a proper long range gas car or ev car - which now costs you quite a bit more or adds inconvenience. With tesla the problem is almost solved, but they have problematic political views and minimalistic interiors and a max battery of 402 miles. So yeah I think it’s worth it to make a car that costs 3x what VW are pushing, but is useful to everybody.
The problem is that the battery degrades, so it’s a good idea to keep it charges to 60-80% so that it last way longer. If you have 600 miles of max range then that means you can easily have 360-480 miles for your driving. This is overkill as well right ? Wrong, if you live in a cold climate it practically gets halved so now you have 180-240 miles of driving.
Fine, but you still fail to look how the car is used. A battery that big also mean more weight (and thus more energy needed) and it can make sense if you use the car almost always for longer trips. For shorter drive it make more sense to have a smaller battery and recharge more often.,
Let’s say it’s summer though, now you want to drive 600 miles to your nearest ocean/sea and want to sightsee along the way.
Here you fail to consider the target market. EU and US are very different geographically. In US a car with bigger batteries can make sense, in EU probably not that much.
VW simply design a car for the market where they want to sell it, which make sense in my opinion.With a battery that big you might have to charge once and not even fully to have enough confidence driving to places where charging might be limited.
That would be a problem anyway, with limited charging options you could arrive at the sea but then have problem returning home (but this is a problem that is slowly going away)
That’s why smaller batteries make sense only if you use the car for daily commuting, now you need to rent or buy a proper long range gas car or ev car - which now costs you quite a bit more or adds inconvenience. With tesla the problem is almost solved, but they have problematic political views and minimalistic interiors and a max battery of 402 miles. So yeah I think it’s worth it to make a car that costs 3x what VW are pushing, but is useful to everybody.
I don’t know how may miles you need to drive for your daily commute that need to have such big battery but in the supposed target market of the VW even a 180 miles battery can easily cover your weekly commuting.
So yes, you are right that a bigger battery is usefull but it really depend on where you plan to sell your car. Not everywhere you need that kind of mileage daily and you need also to consider other factors like the weight and size of the car.
You are correct on many of those points. But lets look for edge cases - people living in apartments, they can’t charge their cars when there are no garages, so they need to do what normal people do with gas cars - go to the gas station to charge. So if you have a 600 miles car and drive 35 miles per day that’s enough to supercharge once per week for 30+ minutes and be good for the rest of the week - good for the battery, good for wait times, good for not pissing off the person buying the car as they don’t have to waste multiple hours per week.
If your point is that it’s inneficient to carry heavy batteries around I would agree, but isn’t it less efficient to use gas, to have 2 cars instead of 1, to have to rent a car, etc. I think it balances out and with new battery technology you’ll see that they’ll start competing more fiercely with range, but there is a sweet spot and I think it’s 600 miles, if the battery drain is not affected by cold/hot weather 360 miles would be a good sweetspot.
I hope the market appreciates this new model, but highly doubt it - most of the other things I suggested in the original post also affect if the buyer would decide to spend their money on the car. I don’t think it’s unrealistic for VW/Audi to make something like this at a competitive price of $120k - same as the starting price for a BMW M5.
You are correct on many of those points. But lets look for edge cases - people living in apartments, they can’t charge their cars when there are no garages, so they need to do what normal people do with gas cars - go to the gas station to charge.
That’s a problem, I agree, but you don’t design a new car model around edge cases.
So if you have a 600 miles car and drive 35 miles per day that’s enough to supercharge once per week for 30+ minutes and be good for the rest of the week - good for the battery, good for wait times, good for not pissing off the person buying the car as they don’t have to waste multiple hours per week.
True.
If your point is that it’s inneficient to carry heavy batteries around I would agree, but isn’t it less efficient to use gas, to have 2 cars instead of 1, to have to rent a car, etc. I think it balances out and with new battery technology you’ll see that they’ll start competing more fiercely with range, but there is a sweet spot and I think it’s 600 miles, if the battery drain is not affected by cold/hot weather 360 miles would be a good sweetspot.
Again, it depend on the target market. In EU it was relatively common to have 2 cars: a small one for the day by day commute (where other options are not available) and other tasks like taking the kids to/from school, small trip to the grocery store and so on, and a bigger one for the long travel.
It is still true outside the big cities, where services maybe are not that near and normally there are very few options for public transportation. And I don’t think that having a small car for the day by day and rent a bigger one for longer trip is really that bad.
Also, consider that often a really big car it not an option in places where street are really narrow to the point you are forced to buy small car (common outside most of the big cities)
I hope the market appreciates this new model, but highly doubt it - most of the other things I suggested in the original post also affect if the buyer would decide to spend their money on the car. I don’t think it’s unrealistic for VW/Audi to make something like this at a competitive price of $120k - same as the starting price for a BMW M5.
I think you are out of price range. I don’t know is US (given the use of dollars), but in EU a 120K car is not a common car, I mean, the big cars like the Renault Espace are in the range of 50/70 k, a 120K car is an entry level luxury car here.
There are currently no plans to ship this (or the slightly larger longer range model) in the US. 🙄
Why would you ship a small car to a country in love with the biggest streetpanzers?
There are already affordable EVs in Europe, as an example the Dacia Spring which has the same 230km autonomy and even lower price (18-19.000€ retail final price to consumer in Portugal which has high taxes on new vehicles).
Not as snazzy looking though, that’s what’s really important! /s
I looked up the Dacia Spring and it says, that it’s manufactured in China.
The manufacturing county of the world is manufacturing this car?
They’ve gone out of their way to avoid showing the hatch opened. From the pictures they DO have there, it appears the hatch opening area is borderline useless. My question is WHY?
Looks really good. Let’s hope it’s more reliable than their disastrous id4
The Volvo EX30 looks good as well but its super plastic and low quality inside. This car will probably follow the same pattern since they need make money on these ones too.
Sounds like a model name for American police cars.
Do you suspect me of a crime? Am I being detained?
VW lost the plot on product names years ago.
It’d be a decent deal now, but this launches in 2027, by which point this would be underwhelming.
I love the style. Finally they’re breaking their idiotic EV styling they came up with years ago. The ID.3 is just plain ugly.
Any car company can draw pretty cars. lol
Exactly! It’s choosing not to do so which makes some companies special!
But starting anew with a bad concept is still a bad start.
Very true.
The wheels still scream “I’m an EV!” though, with that design that incorporates loads of flat area, but I’m glad the body design is moving away.
I can see why manufacturers wanted “EV style” - EVs were the new hotness and so the makers want to strongly telegraph the electric nature of the car in the design language. And I’m sure certain consumers also liked driving around in something that looks like an alien spaceship.
But that design gets old real quick. Personally I don’t want crazy, I want classic shapes and a car that just looks like an ordinary car.
155 mile range, well that’s a local commuter car, that’s it. The masses need things besides a local commuter car.
I commute 63 miles one way, every day.
I rather buy another Korean or Japanese car. As an European except for the electric r5 I have no interest in European car makers, much less from a company that should have disappeared after dieselgate.
I don’t mean to be an apologist for dieselgate - I’m not, it was scummy and I’m glad VW execs ended up in prison - but all carmakers had illegally high diesel emissions.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal
VW weren’t even close to the worst for it, either. Fiat, Hyundai, and Renault-Nissan (they partner for engine designs a lot) were the worst, VW was bizarrely one of the least over the legal limit.
We just affiliate it with VW more because they were not only the first to be tested, but the VW executives admitted to using cheat devices, whereas most others denied it.
