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Please link directly to articles, and provide archive links in the body or comments. I’m not locking or removing this at this time, but please take note in the future.
FWIW, seeing that the link was to an archive encouraged me to check out this Lemmy post. I understand the policy decision, but I wish I could see an indication in my feed that an archive link is available.
Not even an acknowledgement from OP, that’s just disrespectful and shitty.
Oh no, somebody didn’t respect a faceless mod on the internet?? What is this world coming to!
Excuse me, I have a face. It is clearly a lemming astronaut holding up a peace sign. * huffs off stomping in my space boots *
LOL Tiktok sent me a message for posting “Incarcerate Mango Mussolini” as a violation of it’s community guidelines so it seems like it’s happening everywhere.
Fuck you tiktok, you can’t stop me.
EDIT: Formating
I have just left Reddit and deleted my account, on account of this.
Fuck Reddit.
Elon Musk. President Donald Trump’s extremely online lackey has aimed plenty of ire at Reddit from his perch at DOGE, first attacking the federal workers he’s been firing en masse for discussing the chaos on r/FedNews, then expanding his purview from there.
Fuck fElon, fuck spez, fuck trump, and fuck the american oligarchy.
Fuck all oligarchies and oligarchs.
This article fails to mention that Huffman has previously praised Musk and how he runs Twitter.
Huffman said he saw Musk’s handling of Twitter, which he purchased last year, as an example for Reddit to follow.
More importantly he’s a doomsday prepper with fucked up views:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich
I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.
What a tiny little apocalypse fuckbag. Fuck Spez.
If I end up on top after the apocalypse I’ll go out of my way to get him as a slave.
I have no idea what you’re about but just based on this alone I’d let you share my tire barricade
Nice, thanks. Because the only way I’d survive the apocalypse would be as part of a community, I’m not exactly the warlord type. And plenty of people in the thread are on board with the same idea, so I’m fine with sharing spez.
[email protected] restricts saying anything even vaguely anti-russian in a time when Russia is effectively trying destroy the west. At the same time, they’re allowing rather blatant anti-west sentiment. And I’m not saying that that’s fundamentally bad, but rather that there is no such thing as unbiased.
Reddit sure sucks and needs to die though. But their bias of not supporting murder is somewhat understandable.
But their bias of not supporting murder is somewhat understandable.
Its not murder, it’s self defense. A mass murderer was stopped by Luigi, end of story.
The government has accused Luigi of stopping a mass murderer.
By inconsistently choosing when they will moderate supporting murder and when they won’t, they are essentially deciding what murder is okay. And that “should” disqualify them from section 230 protections. It doesn’t because section 230 is too broad. But by picking which third party content to allow they are essentially editorializing using other people words.
Hmm, I shit on Russia all the time every chance I get and as far as I know I was never warned about it, even on lemmy.ml
Did you do so in a community located on lemmy.ml? Try it, it should be fairly quick, and you’ll be banned from communities that you’ve never even heard of, for violating a rule that is written down nowhere that I can find.
Or maybe after the election seasons, they might not be as quick these days? It might have accomplished its purpose already.
Russia is a reactionary shit hole, I wish it wasn’t but here we are.
Great thing about Lemmy is that I can block all instances from lemmy.ml.
How do I block .ml results?
Are there other servers which amplify problematic content?
So the Tankie Triad is:
- lemmy.ml
- hexbear
- lemmygrad.ml
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The trouble is that, as far as I know, there’s currently no way as a user to block an entire instance. You can play whack-a-/C and block communities as you bump into them. The other option is to look for instances that have de-federated from these instances, and make a new account on one of those instances.As @[email protected] pointed out, instance blocking is possible:
You can block instances in your settings. For your instance, that’s lemmy.ca/settings then selects blocks and add the instances you want to block
Are there other servers which amplify problematic content?
There’s a lot more than the 3 listed above, the ones I listed are militant in their belief that Russia and China are Marxist-Leninist utopias. There’s some communities and users across all the instances that are problematic. If you see something you don’t like, block the user or community.
Hey, real quick, nobody thinks the Russian Federation is somehow still Marxist, the Soviet Union was dissolved in the 90s and Marxism went with it. Further, China is not a “Utopia,” it is Marxist-Leninist but it’s in the early stages of Socialism, and the Russian Federation is far worse off under Capitalism.
If you want to correct your blurb, that would be far more accurate.
There’s a lot more than the 3 listed above, the ones I listed are militant in their belief that Russia and China are Marxist-Leninist utopias.
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Hexbear hates Russia. They call Putin a fascist dictator / capitalist all the time.
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No one on Hexbear calls Russia or China a Marxist utopia. Pointing out that the CCP is using their power to build highspeed rail, nuclear energy, tons of public housing, and huge solar projects might seem like glazing, but I think those projects are worthy of praise. If the US built 40000km of highspeed rail, entire cities of public housing, tons of clean nuclear power plants, etc then I would be overjoyed to praise my country for doing something good.
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Supporting genocide is true tankieism. Anyone who isn’t critical of the US’s funding of genocide or the military industrial complex are the true tankies.
Just want to add, the CPC is Marxist and is working off of Marxist economics. Their party ideology is Marxism-Leninism Xi Jinping Thought, which is Marxism-Leninism applied to modern China’s conditions and under Xi Jinping.
Now, that doesn’t mean it’s some Utopia, and that also doesn’t mean it’s a far-future Communist society, just that they are in the early stages of Socialism.
How does the Tienanmen Square massacre fit into Marxism-Leninism ideology?
And who wrote about this “stage” of Marxist-Leninism that makes capitalism is legal and labour unions are illegal? Would that be the ruling party that’s dominated by billionaires?
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You can block instances in your settings. For your instance, that’s lemmy.ca/settings then selects blocks and add the instances you want to block
Perfect! I’ll edit my post.
There doesn’t seem to be a way to block all users of an instance though unfortunately. You can still see posts and comments they make on other instances
Whack-a-mole sadly, but I will say that not every user on an instance you don’t want to interact with is necessarily going to be promoting content that you find objectionable.
I’m seeing a lot of people call Hexbear a tankie instance lately - they aren’t really though, they are an instance full of trolls who are militant against any belief system at all (most especially their own?), or as near to that as makes no difference. They constantly lie - most especially to one another, and have even been caught lying to other instance admins.
I would lump Hexbear in under a name like The Big Three (to block), but I just thought I’d point out that many people are going to argue at its being called specifically a “tankie” one. And ofc it’s more than just these three - e.g. Midwest.social has been caught in numerous scandals as well, though unlike the Big Three, the actual users there are perfectly fine, so I don’t advocate for blocking it, just avoiding the communities there.
Speaking of, the Lemmy “instance blocking” would have been much better named as a “community mute”, since it allows you to see the users from that instance, and they can vote on and reply to your content, triggering notifications, etc. The only real way to do an actual instance block is to move to an instance that has defederated from it (requires admin rights), or use PieFed that can implement a true user block from any instance you ask for (no admin approval necessary), or the Lemmy apps Sync and Connect can likewise do that.
I’m seeing a lot of people call Hexbear a tankie instance lately - they aren’t really though, they are an instance full of trolls who are militant against any belief system at all (most especially their own?), or as near to that as makes no difference. They constantly lie - most especially to one another,
From my experience they’re anarchists/communists like they say they are.
Welcome to a tutorial on how to block .ml on your personal account.
In the top right corner of the top of the page, there are 3 horizontal white bars. Click it.
This will open up a drop down menu. At the bottom of that menu, you will see your username. Click it.
This will open another drop down menu with 3 options. Click “Settings”.
At the top of your screen you will see 2 tabs. Click the one that says “Blocks”.
Here you will see “Block user” “Block community” and “Block instance”. Click the down arrow below “Block instance”.
This will open up a search bar. Type “lemmy.ml” and click it after it shows up.
That’s it! You’ve blocked .ml and will never see content from the instance. Now you don’t need to make a feud post every day complaining about .ml and other instances you disapprove of. Think of all the time you will save!
But wait, we aren’t done yet in this menu. Click the down arrow under “Block user”. Now type “UltraGiGaGigantic” Make sure you select my .ml account as the other ones I no longer use. Thanks, appreciate it.
Thanks! Blocked!
[email protected] restricts saying anything even vaguely anti-russian
Cringe
If I may say, with all due respect (truly), Reddit highly encouraged “engagement” for the sake of those stats being sold to advertisers hence increasing their profits.
But here we are free from such. Breathe a sigh of relief at that… and note how we can choose to do things differently here.
Yes, I am saying this bc you are new, in hopes that it will help bring you up to speed and explain why people are downvoting you (I didn’t myself btw). I hope you don’t feel I’m picking on you. Okay, I’ll shut up now and leave you alone!:-)
Uh… what? 2 downvotes is not such a big deal, and I wouldn’t care about 10 downvotes either, I wrote what I thought and what I wanted. By the way, I haven’t used Reddit too long (a week or so) so I know nothing about their “engagement” thing.
The lemmy trash server triad is blocked here. Do they really even exist?
Lemmy.ml is not defederated from Lemmy.world, so new users will see everything by default.
Also, “instance blocking” would be better named as "community muting’, bc it leaves users from those instances free to vote and reply to your content, trigger notifications, and you’ll still see it in other communities.
To truly block it, someone has to first even know about it, and then the only real options are all rather extreme - move to an instance that has defederated from them all (Lemmy.ml in particular is extremely rarely defederated from), switch to using PieFed, a Lemmy alternative written in Python rather than Rust, or the Lemmy apps Sync or Connect. Or implement a filter like with Ublock Origin or some such. None of these are trivial, and again, none are available to new users to even be told are possible, or helpful to be done.
Just as long as I don’t end up on one of their sewage posts and get my post subjected to their simpletons logic and garbage morality. I can take care of blocking any trash users myself on a case by case basis.
Yes that works. For you, but doesn’t help new people joining here from Reddit. Lemmy requires enormous curation efforts to become fully usable. But it does work… so long as you never mod any communities, bc you can’t afford to block those users who would then be able to post invisibly to you.
Nah, I ran into a mod on community and blocked him not knowing he was a mod. They could still see what I posted and still comment on it. I just left the community.
I saw the Hammer and Sickle on lemmy.ml and that was enough for me to know that they were probably Campists and Stalinists lol.
I guess it’s good Lemmy has the different instances(?) even tho it’s a bit annoying.
The beauty is that you can just block the annoying instances. I’ve blocked lemmy.ml so I don’t see their communities, but can still see their users commenting on posts.
Not all of us are happy with it. The Pro-Russia, pro-China posts are enough to make me raise an eyebrow and keep my mouth shut when a mod comes around.
But… it’s genuinely one of the better moderated instances. It is quite peaceful compared to other communities. I dont see lemmygrad, I dont see beehaw, it’s just, restful
The Pro-Russia, pro-China posts are enough to make me raise an eyebrow and keep my mouth shut when a mod comes around.
Just following orders so you can get content?
That’s why I like my instance, the admins are great and we have the same mindset of federation: let the users decide who they want to block and only defederate from a instance if they’re hugely problematic or doing something illegal.
I think lemmy.ml is federated with lemmygrad right? I never see their stuff either, it’s probably such a small instance that it kinda gets lost from the activity of the bigger and more popular communities.
Yeah on second glance, it is federated with lemmygrad, but I somehow don’t see the posts from there. Apparently, I’ve only blocked one sub from there “GenZedong”, but that seems to be enough for me to not see any of their stuff at a ll.
I am currently slowly migrating towards another instance, but I genuinely do feel comfortable on lemmy.ml
You are not the first person I’ve heard this from. Ironically the people who avoid anything even resembling a political topic can have quite the calm experience there, in the other communities.
However, it’s still supporting that behavior, and there’s also the “first they came for” mantra, which suggests that even though they haven’t banned you from the entire instance yet, it may still lead to a shocking surprise when they eat your face off later rather than sooner.
But yes there are many other instances to choose from:-). Like feddit.org for a location-based instance for someone in Europe, or Discuss.Online for someone based in the USA, or themed instances such as programming.dev or literature.cafe, etc.
How idiotic to stay there get on an instance that does not have such a bias with the moderation.
I have accounts on other instances, but lemmy.ml is genuinely quite peaceful. I find myself always coming back to it.
There’s a distinct lack of general abuse there, and people seem to restrain themselves from needless insults
There’s going to be Marxists on Lemmy, the lead developers of the software are Marxist-Leninists and some of the largest instances are explicitly Socialist-aligned.
Yeah I’m a Marxist as well just not that sort
Sure, but the vast majority of Marxists globally are Marxist-Leninists, and Lemmy’s makeup reflects that.
I’m a Marxist Leninist, just not a campist or Stalinist tho
The hammer and sickle is a symbol of Marxism-Leninism, though, the hammer being for the proletariat and sickle for the peasantry. This is just kinda silly
Reddit can die when there is something better around and I don’t see that in Lemmy etc. Especially with the shittier instances you mentioned.
If all the people came here and with them propaganda I think in terms of moderation you would be woefully unprepared.
Not you personally but all the mods on the instances.
Luigi is not a hero. He is an alleged hero.
Whether or not he’s the hero he’s been accused of being, he’s certainly a living martyr now
The website is attacking the users that made it the front page of the internet
No they aren’t. Those users have long since left Reddit lol
I feel like the admins over there really take for granted how much people care about Reddit. The more they degrade the sense of community, the more it continues to crumble until users feel that there’s no point in going back.
With how many posts are just pure AI generated rage bait, it’s becoming more clear by the day how little worth there is left on Reddit.
[deleted] is a common user name there!
Did they change the way things are formatted? Such as the [removed] comments now just appearing as [deleted]? Deleted would imply the users removed their own content while removed would imply the mods or admins removed it, at least that’s how things have always been. However, I have only been seeing a sea of [deleted] lately.
After the API kerfuffle, a lot of users who left also used tools to completely erase their content from the site, which explains the sea of [deleted] posts and users. You may also see comments and text body posts that are full of incoherent gibberish because one of the tools didn’t delete the content in the normal way, it simply edited the content to be a bunch of random gibberish.
it simply edited the content to be a bunch of random gibberish.
I used a tool that did this. I also used it on purpose because I figured it would make the content more difficult to farm. Lots of software doesn’t actually delete anything when you delete it, but it’s a lot more work to put versioning in and then you’d have to go search the version history to find a version that wasn’t mangled to farm it…so that’ll all theoretically make it more difficult for them to find what I originally wrote.
I don’t think they care, they already got their payday by going public.
they get thier money from google and openai.
I think the USA has taken a deep dive in international standing since January 2025, and Reddit is a USA-flavored USA-centered content publisher in terms of front page community. Things were pretty anti-USA with all the support of Israel in 2024, but now in 2025 with Elon Musk being the center of all USA society attention every minute of every day, sites like Reddit are being turned away from (or people only reading to mock the USA) - where the HiveMind is extremely USA technology consumerism / technology lifestyle worship.
For example, I never witness anyone on Reddit criticize Apple Computers for funding Twitter / X in 2025. It’s tech addiction as the primary religion on Reddit. And I think those outside the USA are sick of that machine lust / machine mind behavior of Elon Musk, Zuck, Amazon, etc.
“Technopoly is a state of culture. It is also a state of mind. It consists in the deification of technology, which means that the culture seeks its authorization in technology, finds its satisfactions in technology, and takes its orders from technology.” ― Neil Postman, Technopoly: The Surrender of Culture to Technology, 1992
For example, I never witness anyone on Reddit criticize Apple Computers for funding Twitter / X in 2025.
By funding you mean resuming advertising on the platform, right? I am not aware that Apple is financing X directly. In the end it is money in Musk‘s pockets, I know, but the distinction is worth pointing out nonetheless.
These are the kinds of helpful comments that made Reddit a great platform to visit, once upon a time. Now, I’m glad that we still get to read this type instead on the Fediverse.:-)
Yeah, it’s a playground for bots and misinformation now
Same as any social media site.
i started visiting reddit back around 2009 when places like digg and fark kept linking over there. i liked it because it had a design that the average person wouldn’t like - the old design. they sorted comments in a new way that i liked. it’s been a slow boil, but look at the reddit monstrosity now. the redesign is puke-inducing, and there really isn’t any point in the vote sorting any more because people don’t upvote for visibility any more insomuch as just use it as like/dislike. there isn’t even any benefit in trying to point that out any more either, because today’s reddit users just don’t understand that approach to votes - and it really, really sucks.
Hmmm, perhaps people should start linking threads from here on reddit…
Believe it or not: straight to jail.
I want to upvote this because I like it, but now I’m conflicted because I don’t want to inadvertently abuse the upvote mechanism.
yo - upvote it if you think it’s worth it for other people to see it, whether you agree with it or not. it might spark a debate. it might sway opinion. but either way, voting for visibility is the best thing to do on a SMALL forum like this. Appreciate lemmy while it’s still small!!!
AND fwiw - your upvotes should probably not be monitored. that would just be a huge dick move (sorry, it took me a sec).
Im not going to upvote something if I don’t agree with it. I understand the power of voting, it increases or decreases visibility. But I am not going to willingly increase the visibility of something I don’t agree with.
Considering e.g. a thoughtful, insightful, well-researched post with a conclusion we completely disagree with and feel is likely to lead to negative outcomes - but is still a perspective that should be understood if we want to be well rounded:
Binary up/downvotes have a really hard time of capturing what we want to see reflected as our assessment.
Edit: blessed be thy highly-voted child comment
As someone from the U.S., it seems like that concept has practically disappeared from the country. The nuances of civil debate, including the acknowledgement of differing opinions as valid, don’t exist in most of our popular media (both traditional and social.) We’ve been conditioned to react to things immediately and intensely using our emotions instead. There has been a slide toward this state for decades, but it’s come to the point where a lot of people genuinely struggle with separating “thing they personally disagree with/don’t like” from “thing that shouldn’t be said/heard/shared.”
(Not saying that’s the case with OP, just that it’s definitely a thing that’s been going on.)
13 years there and millions in karma. I left when they chose to become Zionists and hate-mongers
worldnews was a plague, i had to block that sub. i was also reminding people in pics sub how the pict was about gaza and it wash bashing on biden pushing propaganda, and also gaza conflicts in the past had very little effect on elections, i just block and report those people. mostly it was inappropiate for that sub too.
I never understood WorldNews. I said back in November pretty plainly that Trump won and so I fear that America would eventually leave or attack NATO. I said I was afraid that Trump would side with Russia outright. That we would abandon our allies in the Pacific, too. That our inaction would create a gap for China to fill. That the gap might be big enough to embolden China who then might make moves on Taiwan.
And I was downvoted (which is fine) but the comments I got were kind of bewildering. The people who engaged with me were trying to convince me that Trump would never side with Russia and there is no evidence ever of this.
And of course here we are now. And all of these things are happening.
The whole Gaza thing you mention—I understand the outrage—but I wonder how much of it online was manufactured in places like Pics because of the election.
Seeing the conversations here on Lemmy makes me think…there’s something very weird going on on Reddit. I’ve rode out Reddit drama over the past 12 years. This is not the narwhal at midnight website. This is something very dark.
Yes, but note that it was happening here as well. Certain places here were HIGHLY active in the BoTh SiDeS sAmE activity, just prior to the USA election, and similarly influenced other elections world-wide. Learn which places these are, so that you can take full advantage of the Fediverse, which isn’t “a place” so much as a forum software that allows many many places to share their content - but all sides here are NOT equally dedicated to truthiness.
Here is one example:
Judge for yourself what you think might be the intention for making and spreading it… although if we are going by the mantra of the effects that it may have caused possibly being the reason for which it was made, it looks to me to suggest that people in the USA should not be enthusiastic about voting or encouraging others to vote for Kamala Harris.
Edit: to be clear I’m not suggesting that Lemmy is “the same” as Reddit - in some ways we are worse here, being even more authoritian than Reddit was (or rather “is” I guess:-P), but in other ways it’s so, so much better, in that we can pack up and move to another instance and simply carry on, having access to the vast majority of content as before (exceptions include defederations and a DM directed to our old account won’t follow us), which was (oops, “is” again:-) not true for Reddit.
I am literally here, now, commenting on this because I am reading the article to this on reddit and … I can’t believe they are going to start punishing upvotes! That is the final stray for Reddit. Its dead. Gone the way of Digg. I am literally here now to start moving over to Lemmy.
I just realized - and must keep in mind, with a federated platform like lemmy, all of your upvotes and downvotes are broadcasted across the network. ANYONE could track your upvotes and downvotes in THIS system.
I had no idea how much I valued voting privacy.
You don’t have voting privacy here on Lemmy though, and theoretically instance admins could “punish” you based on voting patterns.
But decentralization helps that
If an instance becomes oppressive, nothing is stopping you from going to a new one. You can’t do that with Reddit. Let’s say my instance Lemmy.ca becomes awful, I can make a new account on another and still comment on this community. That’s the beauty of the Fediverse.
On the other hand, harvesting that sort of data is as simple as creating an instance and Federating with whatever sub you want to spy on
So keep that in mind when interacting with the fediverse
These are public forums, it’s almost the point for things to be public. You could argue that votes shouldn’t be part of it, but ultimately due to the decentralized nature they must be communicated to all servers
Honestly, I don’t even like the downvote/upvote system because it promotes censorship and a lot of the times it’s just an agree/disagree button. I feel that no matter how right or wrong someone is, they should always be able to express their opinion in a civil manner (obviously there are mods for removing rule breaking posts/comments). Downvoting just kills any discussion.
I’ve been places without upvotes and downvotes and they’re just garbage piles of spam and useless replies.
The Steam Comminity Forms for instance: if you’re trying to get any useful information on a recent release go somewhere else, as half of what you’ll find is people complaining that the game is *woke" (because there is a woman or a minority in it somewhere), and the other half is people complaining that the game isn’t a completely different genre.
With downvotes the useless, troll, and off topic comments can be filtered out to not clutter up the useful posts.
Absolutely: the voting systems were out there for a reason:-).
Not really, it’s removing the comments that isn’t violating is the real problem. There are definitely comments that should be downvoted for many reasons
Well ideally that’s how downvoting should work yes. In practice it’s abused a lot as a “I disagree” button.
I’d rather people just downvote and move on than engage with trolls or trade insults with each other.
Well, I don’t disagree with you. All I’m saying is that I’ve personally seen the downvote function being abused a lot. It kinda works for making interesting posts visible but in the comments it usually leads to certain arguments (even civil ones without insulting or trolling) being downvoted and hiding the comment. Karma is honestly meaningless to me, I just enjoy conversations and seeing different opinions even if I disagree with them. I see why it exists and in a perfect world it’s a great way to make moderation manageable on bigger platforms (like reddit and lemmy). Sadly we don’t live in a perfect world.
Trolling and insults usually break rules and can be reported. Comments like that deserve all the downvotes they get since they detract from discussion and don’t add to it. Although honestly most forums I visit deal with that pretty well too (with no karma system in place).
Is it really the fault of the system then, if it was set up with one intention but then was abused?
Btw, reddthat.com has downvotes disabled, so if you made an account there you would never see them again. The downvotes would still affect the sorting of the comments on other instances though, and thereby the frequency of replies.
I for one want downvotes, if I say something incorrect then I deserve it, but I don’t want downvotes from people who are just trolling - nor upvotes from them, nor replies either - bc then it takes some of my time and attention to try to guess what is going on, and sort true facts from their fictional views of the world.
So for me, it’s not “voting” that I would like to see addressed and fixed, but rather the presence of trolls. Which PieFed (and the Lemmy apps Sync and Connect) provide many tools to help with, e.g. it can block all users from an instance, unlike the Lemmy feature of the same name that merely acts as a community muting but does not actually block the users themselves in any way.
I love how PieFed is heavily pushing towards the democratization of moderation, but that’s another subject altogether I suppose:-).
What’s Digg?
Digg was a news and comment aggregation site before Reddit existed. It was pretty fantastic for its time. Reddit is like Digg on steroids.
Funny enough, Digg is making a comeback
Finally, Reddit can die
I was one of the many MANY victims of unjust banning, and I just want my niche communities here, all the weird expansion and transformation porn I like, DBD Shitposting, and The Sims 4 troublshooting… ahh…
Cardinal rule of being a reddit refugee on lemmy: if you want a specific community from reddit that doesnt exist here already, start it.
A bit easier said than done: some don’t have the time and mental space to dedicate to moderate a community.
Definitely. Lemmy is pretty collaborative in that regard. Most communities have lots of mods to help balance the workload. That being said, Lemmy is very much a “grassroots platform”. Everything we have here we build together. Not any one person is required to become involved in creating spaces here, but if there’s a space that doesn’t exist yet and you’d like it to then you’d have to start that ball rolling somewhere.
As soon as some activity starts, people who want to mod will show up.
I want my Fandoms and porn here. The niche stuff is the only reason why reddit has any appeal anymore.
I hope Reddit dies! Free Luigi!
oh, it won’t… it’ll turn into a weird cross between thedonald and 9gag in a few months. mark my words.
Dude something very weird is going on on Reddit. I’ve been through it with them for 12 years and this is like nothing I’ve ever seen.
I finally deleted the terrible Reddit app when my feed was blasted with repeated comments that “Reddit is far left and the left are domestic terrorists.” Sorry what?
These very weird not based in reality comments are posted almost verbatim in every thread. These people usually never respond to conversation.
It’s very very weird
I think your prediction is probably spot on. Reddit already feels like incel 9gag with a bunch of Russians pretending to be American college students.
Edit: oh if that’s your optimistic take then oh wow haha I am staying here on Lemmy I’ll start posting too
The entire system wants you to forget about Luigi and the entire issue. Sort of memory hole it like so many other things and let them punish him in secret. So it’s no surprise Reddit and others will try to Streisand it.
Exactly. That’s the best part. There would have been a Luigi article every once in a while giving an update or whatever. Nothing is going on with him rn. But blocking his name is getting everyone talking about him again, and some are switching platforms because of it.
Hopefully we do none of that.
You can always switch instances if your lemmy server implements policies you don’t like
But can you know that what you see through your instance is being manipulated?
Wouldn’t be that hard to archive and validate your posts and it’s so easy on lemmy to leave a bad instance.
That… doesn’t really answer the question. So it’s relatively easy to leave, but how would you know that you needed to in the first place?
If the voting of posts on an instance were being manipulated, or the visibility of certain sources or users, or if commercial influences were affecting administrative decisions or moderator behavior, how would you know?
How do you discover that you are in a bubble? That the information being presented to you is intentionally skewed in order to project a narrative?
How do you exit Plato’s cave if you don’t know that you are in it?
By having an external source of truth to compare against. In this case you could spin up your own instance, and as a mod you could see where all the votes were coming from, so you could simulate having the same set of defederations as some other instance. Anything that does not match up then warrants further examination.
People did something similar and found that lemmy.ml was modifying its internal database logs - though it was claimed that it was merely due to the newest software release that it alone was running at the time, before it got rolled out to become public. I never followed through on that further.
That’s all somewhat expensive to do, but basically if you run your own instance then you have total control. (Even then, you won’t know what’s going on inside of the OTHER instances that you do not control!).
I think there’s a - what are sub reddits called here - that specifically calls out bad mod or other behavior since mod behavior is all publicly available.
This post in R/technology hit r/all breifly Today around 7-8pm before the mods nipped that in the bud to appease shareholders. The comment section is a fucking shitshow with massive disappearing sections of engagement.
One thing that really made me chuckle is this comment by someone I copied pertaining to an AI prompt response from GROK3 they initiated;
I think if you ask an AI they’ll tell you.
Here’s what Grok told me a couple weeks ago:
here is Grok 3’s unexpurgated take:
(Me) Assuming that the billionaires solidify their control of the US government past the point that the people can ever have a say in what happens anymore and voting becomes irrelevant, what ultimately happens after the system is completely controlled by the 0.001%?
If billionaires were to solidify control over the U.S. government to the point where democracy effectively collapses and the public has no meaningful influence, the outcome would likely be a slow but steady transformation into an oligarchic system—think a modern feudalism with extra steps. Power would concentrate in the hands of a tiny elite, maybe a few dozen families or individuals, who’d use their wealth to dictate policy, law, and resource distribution. History gives us some clues: when unchecked elites run the show—Roman patricians, Renaissance merchant-princes, or even post-Soviet oligarchs—things tend to follow a pattern.
First, you’d see the economy morph into a machine that funnels wealth upward even faster. Tax structures, labor laws, and regulations would tilt hard toward protecting the 0.001%—no more pesky antitrust enforcement or worker protections. Corporations owned by these billionaires would dominate, merging with the state in a kind of gilded fascism. Think monopolies on steroids, where dissenters get crushed not by jackboots but by algorithm-driven blacklists and financial ostracism. The middle class would erode as wages stagnate and automation (owned by the elite) displaces jobs, leaving a stark divide: a small aristocracy and a sprawling, dependent underclass.
Society wouldn’t stay quiet forever, though. People don’t just shrug off losing their voice—they simmer, then boil. Without voting as an outlet, unrest would grow. Protests, riots, maybe even low-level insurgencies could pop up, especially as inequality becomes unbearable. The billionaires would counter with surveillance tech and private security forces—Blackwater 2.0, but with drones and AI. Public education and healthcare would likely wither, keeping the masses less capable of organizing or resisting. Propaganda would ramp up too, probably through media they own, painting their rule as inevitable or benevolent.
Long term, it’s unstable. Absolute control sounds nice if you’re at the top, but it breeds resentment and fragility. The 0.001% might fracture internally—power-hungry elites often turn on each other when there’s no external threat to unify them. Or some black-swan event (climate disaster, tech breakthrough, foreign interference) could disrupt their grip. If the system gets too rigid, it might just collapse under its own weight, like a top-heavy empire—think Rome 2.0, but with better Wi-Fi. Alternatively, they could pull off a dystopian win, keeping the masses pacified with bread, circuses, and VR headsets while they sip champagne in fortified enclaves.
No crystal ball here, but the vibe would be a mix of The Hunger Games aesthetics and Gilded Age vibes—opulence for the few, quiet desperation for the rest, and a slow burn toward either revolution or resignation. What do you think—would people fight back hard, or just adapt to the new normal?
(Me again) In the scenario you just described, what happens to the billionaires themselves after society collapses?
Once society collapses under the weight of their control, the billionaires’ fate hinges on how well they’ve insulated themselves and how the collapse plays out. They’ve got resources—money, private security, bunkers, offshore havens—so they’re not exactly scrambling for scraps right away. But they’re not invincible either; a societal breakdown cuts both ways.
If it’s a chaotic free-for-all—think riots, infrastructure failure, and armed factions—they’d likely hole up in fortified compounds or flee to places like New Zealand or private islands they’ve already bought. They’ve got the means: private jets, loyal mercenaries, and stockpiles of food and fuel. Some might even have tech-driven mini-cities ready, with solar grids and hydroponics to ride out the storm. For a while, they’d live like post-apocalyptic kings, surrounded by guards and sipping vintage wine while the world burns. But isolation has limits. Supply chains, even private ones, erode in total chaos. Their staff—pilots, security, engineers—might turn on them if loyalty fades or desperation kicks in. A pissed-off ex-employee with a gun and a grudge could unravel their little utopia fast.
If the collapse spawns organized resistance—say, a coalition of pissed-off citizens or a rogue military splinter—they’d face bigger threats. Billions don’t buy immunity from a determined mob or a drone strike. History’s littered with examples: French aristocrats thought their chateaus were safe until the guillotines rolled out. The billionaires might try to negotiate, offering resources to warlords or new power players, but trust would be thin. They could end up as bargaining chips, ransomed, or just eliminated as symbols of the old regime.
Internally, they’d probably start eating each other too. With no common enemy left to unify them, rivalries would flare. One billionaire’s private army might raid another’s compound for dwindling resources. Alliances would shift, paranoia would spike, and their little oligarchy could fracture into a survivalist soap opera. Think Game of Thrones, but with fewer dragons and more Teslas.
Longer term, if society rebuilds, they might try to reinsert themselves as saviors—funding reconstruction, playing philanthropist to rewrite their legacy. Some might pull it off, especially if they’ve hoarded critical tech or knowledge. Others could fade into obscurity, their wealth meaningless in a world that’s moved on. Worst case, they’re hunted down by a new order that sees them as the root of the mess.
So, post-collapse, they’d either cling to power as warlord-lite figures in their gilded cages, get taken out by betrayal or vengeance, or slink away to obscurity if the world resets. Depends on how ruthless they stay and how much the rest of humanity cares to chase them. What’s your take—would they outlast the chaos or get swallowed by it?
Its almost funny hos people are SOOOOOOOO close to getting to the bottom of whats going on. But there is this delulu idealism resulting from years or decades of successful social conditioning to keep believing in this obviously flawed and now non existent American exceptionalism via the integrity of our democracy which hasn’t existed in at least 4 decades if not longer.(probably since the mass assassination of leftist leaders in the late 1960’s) its like the first half of that prompt response isn’t a theoretical what if, its a literal explanation of what has already happened and what the system and all the corporatist actors are attempting to preserve at all costs.
Alot of them complaining about the recent ban waves, many accounts were shadow banned for very little reason at all
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We have free speech here.
Kinda. We have a bunch of small instances each with its own set of rules/norms. Lemmy.ml for example is not going to take a very different approach to moderation then lemmynsfw…
Everyone says that, but I haven’t run into any issues and .ml is the main one I use
And you might never. But lemmynsfw is a porn instance whereas .ml is not. Hence different goals for moderation.
