• truthfultemporarily@feddit.org
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    19 days ago

    Imagine you buy a car and it gets burned down because the owner of the car company turns out to be a Nazi.

    I would like Tesla to go bankrupt too but cheering on regular peoples property being destroyed is wrong.

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      19 days ago

      Sure, I have some sympathy for those who bought them years ago.

      But let’s not mince words. If you buy a Tesla today, you are literally a Nazi collaborator.

      Those who bought a Tesla much earlier were more like one of those few people who bought one of Hitler’s paintings during his starving artist phase.

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      19 days ago

      Hopefully they had bubble insurance and now they’re freed of their magamobile and can buy something better.

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        19 days ago

        Yeah because insurance companies are run by great people who are known for helping others.

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          19 days ago

          This is Europe, not USA. We are not getting fucked by insurance companies on a daily basis - only weekly basis.

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        19 days ago

        the magamobile… i know it has its issues, but the sad thing is, if you want an electric car as a person who does not care about car-people-things, the magamobile is one of the best options in terms of efficiency. ALSO in terms of used vehicles, you can get teslas so bloody cheap rn and for people who just want to get from A to B with Comfort and ease, you dont have so many other options.

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          19 days ago

          I hadn’t even considered that this is causing the used market to drop out. We could be urging people who otherwise couldn’t or wouldn’t to adopt EVs. Could turn the negative into a positive.

          Nope the “activists” say, burn em all.

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            19 days ago

            yes!!! This is a great thing for the Used Market, especially when considering that the longer you drive an ev (with eco friendly energy) the better the thing is for the planet! GO BUY USED EVs!!! when you have Solar Power@Home (or biogas or whatever you can do to produce electric energy) a cheap used ev is the absolute best option when you need a car.

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          19 days ago

          All cars are required to have insurance in most European countries, Germany included. Not sure if collateral damage by vandalism is covered by default, but most of the time you are covered against any damage that you yourself didn’t cause, so I assume it is covered.

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            19 days ago

            I can’t speak for Germany but my car insurance wouldn’t cover arson. It only covers liability, so if I cause damage or personal injury with my vehicle then my insurance kicks in and covers the other person’s damages. If I wreck my car in a single vehicle collision, a tree falls on it, or someone who doesn’t have insurance hits me then I get nothing. That is collision and/or comprehensive insurance that cover those situations respectively.

            However I know that if I were to lease a vehicle, I would need to get comprehensive insurance as part of the lease agreement. These were probably leased so their insurance might cover it, definitely not all of those Tesla owners though.

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          19 days ago

          You don’t need insurance FOR your car. You MUST have a “Haftpflichtversicherung” - but that only covers damage done by you and your car. If you only have that, you’ll get exactly 0 Euro.

          Most people here have partial coverage, so if glass breaks, you get into an accident with a wild animal or you car gets stolen - and you’ll get some money back.

          Full coverage would also include stupid mistakes you made. As long as they are not on purpose or done by speeding, drinking and driving and stuff like that.

          So yeah, most people with newer cars would have full coverage. Expensive tho. So older cars usually only have partial or none coverage - only “Haftpflichtversicherung” is a must. Without you are not allowed to have a car in traffic.

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      19 days ago

      Totally agree and the fucker already got the money. They are just fucking other people’s lives. However, we can agree that if you think you’re buying a car that someone is going to burn down, then that’s a good deterrent to buy them. So I can also see the positive side of things. And all these cars are probably insured against vandalism anyway

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        19 days ago

        Sometimes sacrifices have to be made to get the message across.

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      19 days ago

      it could’ve caught fire on its own, it’s a tesla.

      you should’ve known that when you bought the car too, before you knew about the nazism.

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        19 days ago

        Yeah ICE cars catch fire 61x more often than EVs.

        Facts are important. We want people to switch to EVs. Spreading falsehoods because it helps your own side short term is wrong.

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          19 days ago

          ICE cars are filled with gasoline and function by blowing it up, the risk is clear. EVs should not be catching fire.

          Also yea, I want people to use public transportation, actually. And I want villages to return, not these horrendous sprawling “small towns” where, despite having less stuff than my Montréal neighbourhood, it’s a huge pain to get anywhere and you need a car at least simply because too many jobs that could be remote aren’t.

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            19 days ago

            just to clarify I’m not talking about “EVs”. I’m talking about teslas. they’re famously prone to catching fire.

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      Read this thread man. People have become fucking deranged, cheering on destroying the property of people who likely had no reason to believe they’d be making car payments to a Nazi.

      Frankly if you’re not out canvassing for politicians you support or helping organize a union or something but you can find the time to cheer on the destruction of what is likely a worker’s property, you need to get a grip.

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        If you own a Telsa, sell it. It sucks but Muskrat is actually dismantling decades of institutional organization. He’s an threat to our country and when it collapses he’ll just fly to the next country while we burn.

        Flood the market with used Swasticars that nobody wants to be associated with and nobody will buy the new ones. Money is the only thing they understand.

        He’s got the president of the u.s. on the front lawn hucking his cars, it’s hilarious and sad.

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          19 days ago

          If you own a Telsa, sell it.

          Realistically, this makes no difference. Tesla has already got the money from the seller. The only person losing is the seller who now sells the car at lower price than they bought it for and have to put in more money to buy a replacement vehicle.

          Flood the market with used Swasticars that nobody wants to be associated with and nobody will buy the new ones. Money is the only thing they understand.

          The only ones who will buy Teslas now are conservatives and they will buy new ‘just to show support for Musk’.

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            19 days ago

            Realistically, this makes no difference.

            Denying Tesla the sale of a second car to a second person makes no difference because they already got the first sale of the first car? Pretty sure Tesla would prefer to sell two cars instead of one, and get the profit directly. There is an assumption here that the original buyer (who sold the car) went and bought another Tesla, which is in conflict with the other poster saying people should sell their Tesla (as it move away from the brand).

            The only ones who will buy Teslas now are conservatives and they will buy new ‘just to show support for Musk’.

            So, let them. It’s still not getting Tesla what they ultimately want – money – long as the original owner doesn’t buy a Tesla themselves.

            Subscriptions might be an argument that Tesla could still profit, but then the question is where/how do they profit more from ownership?

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          19 days ago

          I don’t own one, but when I was considering which EV to buy they were on the list. I could have easily been just another Tesla owner, now getting their car burnt to a crisp or getting spray painted with Nazi symbols.

          I am a unpaid union executive. I volunteer my time to groups like a Right-to-Repair advocacy organization. If the shitheads burning cars could get this motivated about these or other issues, we’d be knocking problems over like dominoes. Instead “activism” for a lot of people now means complaining on the internet and destroying the property of workers.

          Frankly people need to take that type of activism and fuck right off with it. Do some real work or go home and let the adults figure it out.

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            I do all kinds of work organizing IRL thanks. Do you think the people that set the cars on fire were just online or something? Shitposting is useless, the real ones are taking it offline.

            A bit of advice to an alleged Union man? Get some solidarity and stop supporting fascists scab. Support Unions by buying union-made cars, not ones made by a Union busting fascists.

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              You could petition for adoption of an EV plug that isn’t Tesla’s. You could ask to have the Tesla supercharger network be declared anti-competitive and force Musk to divest. Bonus points if you can convince people it should be a public good.

              Lots of moves could be made. Instead you advocate for bashing the fash by… Burning cars owned by workers? And somehow you fail to see how this is not just morally and logically wrong, it also harms the view of leftists in the eyes of the public?

              Are you a real person or do you glow?

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                19 days ago

                The time for petitions and lobbying have passed. Our regulatory agencies have been captured and our politicians bought.

                In the future it’ll only get more and more dangerous to associate with Teslas at all. Anyone who values their personal safety should unload it now.

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                  I will be reporting anyone I catch destroying otherwise innocent people’s property to the authorities. I will not be associated with you fucking animals.

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                I advised the person claiming to be in a union to do their part and support unions, not union busters.

                I advise solidarity with non-fascists by not supporting anything that puts money into a fascists pocket.

                Personally I think targeting showrooms would be more effective but I’m 100% confident Evil Insurance Companies will make things right for the downtrodden Tesla owners and they can buy a new car. Judging by most people’s reactions, at least a few won’t buy a Tesla.

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      So many people on social media cheering for vandalizing other people’s private property just because they disagree with the politics of the maker of their cars. Wild.

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        “Just because they disagree with the politics” look we can say what we want about the burning Teslas part this isn’t a “little disagreement”. Musk’s a full-blown turbo-Nazi and in and in Germany, where this happened, he’s pouring money into the AFD which is essentially just the return of a German Nazi party. Don’t water it down.

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          That is politics. Are you suggesting it is acceptable to destroy private property that belongs to the members of the AFD?

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            America has previously spent TONS of money destroying the property of people with those ideologies. They even had a name for that historical event: World War 2.

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                If people are being kidnapped out of their homes for free speech, and plans are made for invasion of other countries, which party is “starting” said war?

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                  Did the AFD members kidnap people out of their homes for free speech and plan the invasion of other countries?

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    19 days ago

    That’s the spirit. …Cause fuck Nazis. Germany gets it. They’re like, “Trust us, ve know how dis turns üt.”

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    Germans know the evil and danger of nazis and fascism better then anyone else. Fuck Trump and fuck Elon

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    19 days ago

    Oh dear ! Must be those batteries spontaneously combusting. I remember when that used to happen to Samsung phones a while back.

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    19 days ago

    *tries to pretend doesn’t condone vandalism*

    Awwww…wwwwaaa…aahaaa…haaa…hahaaaa…hahaha HA HA HAH! HAH!

    *fails*

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    19 days ago

    Were they really set on fire, or did their batteries just explode? This could very well be another case of the new and improved Pinto spontaneously going off.